Sept. 20
Socialism has arrived, but not at the behest of Democrats. Rather it
is compliments of George W and his merry men of Wall Street. At the
hands of GWB and his failed administration, we now have an outright
nationalization of our financial system. SP
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Wall Street failed to anticipate how wide-reaching problems with
mortgage bonds would spread into seemingly distant corners of the financial
markets. Awash in easy money, banks doled out credit without
sufficiently charging for the risk. Wall Street also created complex structures
that masked connections between asset classes as well as compensation
incentives that pushed traders to take risky steps for short-term gain.
The industry’s failings have now translated into pain for the broader
economy. EF
Here is what Fortune Magazine had to say about Wall Street: Fortune Magazine
This is exactly why we need to vote these socialist Democrats out for the good of our country. RR
Sept. 19
Can someone please tell me how Wall Street caused this, what did they do wrong that everyone is blaming them. Give me an example
please, the Dems love to blame Wall Street and big business. DS
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This is the result of the socialist agenda allowing anyone to buy a house as if they are entitled to home ownership just because they are
American. People who work hard for years in order to buy a house now must to bail everyone out. What is this country coming to. LP
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Our free markets are becoming Government controlled, Hitler did the same thing, "for the good of the people" WAKE UP AMERICA! AG
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Chris Dodd and Barney Frank should be in jail but of course the media doesn't even report the story. SB
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You are right CBC, the Government acted like the mob putting the bull on this banks to write these bad loans for low income people.
Government has to stop intervening in our lives. FR
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Short selling has always been part of trading, to blame Wall Street is ludicrous. VB
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The Republicans have tried for 5 years to investigate Fannie & Freddie but were blocked by the Dems, John McCain himself tried in
2005. Don't blame Wall Street, the blame goes to the Dems and forcing banks to make bad loans in bad neighborhoods, now we all have
to pay. ER
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Sept. 18
CBC.......The Government is now in the mortgage and insurance business as we continue to lose our free markets which is exactly what
many on the left desire, more government. Government is not the solution it is the problem, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are examples,
as well as the government demanding banks write these risky loans. The trouble started with the repeal of Glass-Stegall back in 1999
which banks and brokerage houses were kept as separate entities. The government caused this problem now they must pay the price for
allowing anyone to purchase a home no matter what their credit or income was. People used to work for years to save up enough for a
down payment in order to buy a house, now they buy a house then look for employment.
The Dems protecting their country club Fannie & Freddie, bad loans and greed on Wall Street all contributed, and now we must pay the
piper. This is a lesson that must be learned when government gets too large. Health care anyone?
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The market was down 450 today, now what do you have to say CBC? DB
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Obama supporters hacked into Sarah Palin's personal email. The Dems are getting desperate. NM
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Sept 17
Another bail out, when will it end. The government loves to waste our money. FR
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CBC...They organize the community. LOL
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Does anyone know what a community organizer does? GF
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Now Obama wants to slow the troop withdrawal from Iraq, while he is campaigning for an imediate withdrawal. Don't fall for his BS! SR
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Sept 16
Big spenders with our money, Joe Biden gave $120.00 to charity in 1999 and $380.00 in 2006 yet he says he wants to help the poor,
what a phony. LP
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McCain continues to gain in the polls, now only down 5 in NY, Obama can fool some of the people some of time but not all of the people
all of the time. NM
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What a joke this Pelosi is, Rangel should be in jail just like any one else and yet not only is he still in Congress he is still chairman of the
House Ways and Means committee. Crime pays when you are a Dem. MC
Sept 15
Dems trying to link Serf Maltese to Tony Seminerio, next they will try and link Rangel to Bush. They are Democrats not Republicans. The
Dems have to take responsibility for not policing their own. ER
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Huge fire in the weeds. LP
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CBC......Congress investigates everything, I find it strange no one is calling for an investigation into Fannie and Freddie the biggest
taxpayer bailout in history. I would like to know what Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Andrew Cuomo, Chuck Schumer and the rest of them
did, we posted last week the politicians receiving the most money from Fannie and Freddie, of course Barack and Hilary along with Chris
Dodd headed the list. Do it for the American people Nancy or Harry
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Make NO MISTAKE ! This country is in this condition because of the Democrats and their FAILED policies and I am sick and tried of no
taking blame for their actions. The high price of energy which adversely effects every American is caused by the Democrats refusal to
drill. The mortgage crisis is caused by the Democrats regulations on mortgages, their mandatory no income, no credit no money down
mortgages written in low income neighborhoods which started in the 70's and was widely expanded in the 90's under Bill Clinton is a
disaster. Banks had no choice but to write these risky mortgages or face Government fines and community backlash. If you think things
are bad now if Obama gets in it will get much worse.SR
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Observers of the political scene know that the mainstream media have been in Obama's pockets for many months, destroyed the
chances of Hillary Clinton, and are obsessed with destroying Sarah Palin. Accuracy in Media has logged in over 80% of the media in the
Obama camp and they are not even hiding it -- though they wiill deny it!
Bill O'Reilly during his interview of Alan Greenspan's wife, Andrea Mitchell who works in the NBC newsroom, asked: Andrea, can you
name a single conservative in NBC's newsroom? Mitchell hemmed and hawed for a few minutes but could not name a single conservative.
If you saw some of the segments lately on CNN and MSNBC, you might have sat there with jaws dropping at the media's blatant
partisanship, when three reporters on CNN ganged up on Palin with not a single one coming to her defense or suggesting anything
positive about her. They were laughing at her as if this conversation was taking place in a locker room, not on live TV,
It was all negative and derogatory commmentary. And they are doing this to a woman who was not there to answer their insults! The way
I see it, this is pure irrational hatred, it is religious fanaticism, partisan zeal, not news reporting, and not a civilized discussion of facts. It is
unprofessional to a massie degree and entirely out of place for national televsion. AGB
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Sept 14
Paterson plays the race card in the Presidential election. He says community organizer is a code word for black. What a jerk. SR
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CBC.....The spike in gas prices is just another reason to diversify our drilling. Our refineries and rigs are localed in hurricane alley and
are subjected to damage and evacuations throughout hurricane season. It just doesn't make sense.
The people of this country deserve better.
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Sept 13
Why can't obama just be an AMERCICAN not an african american? Maybe he and his wife are really ashamed of just being AMERICANS.
Maybe thay can start a trend and stop using this hyphenated designation. After all, they were born in America, not Africa. ER
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Another Democrat gets busted, lets get Rangel next. SR
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Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National
Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to
classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland
Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she
may have security clearances we don't even know about.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping
secrets.
She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is. AGB
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Sept 12
This is the year journalism died, last nights Gibson's interview with Palin was disgraceful, he tried to hammer her while throwing softballs
to Obama. Now it has even filtered down to our local papers who are now quoting blogs and "unnamed sources" in an obvious attempt to
influence voters. Pathetic. JB
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We have been talking about the dead fish since late August on this blog and now all the local politicians are involved,which is good but
where were they in August when the problem first surfaced. They could have found out about it right here in August. ER
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Thats right CBC...WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!
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Obama was not calling Palin a pig, they use that term all the time. GN
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just finish reading lucifer hillary wants more loot from d.c. to save the fare.yes hillary is back
ny just to keep her senate seat. also read mayor lizard and gov one eye willie going to raise
taxes. wake up ppl see what happen when libtards run city.oh how about the big medicaid
fraud 258 million in ny.its your money helping these lowlife crooks.these dem leaders have
done nothing they only do photo-ops for their power. and how about this homo koch backing
obama,what a pos.well we do know schumer weiner will back him too.and this one eye willie
is a joke with is racist bs about obama, the facts on sambo are there and the more he opens
his mouth the more we the ppl have to stop this muzzie.and many many are keeping pressure on
charles rangel to step down now, this senile pos is no better then anybody else who breaks laws.
yes tell these 'local dem. leaders' running we know 'promises and no way will we vote in party
lines so they get job then stick it to us. and all you good ppl who work under these unions, you
better wake up don't be bullie who you have to vote for.don't complain in nov if you keep these
dem in power. JS
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Sept 10
Anybody hear anything new on the dead fish? DD
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Obama must be feeling the heat, his remark yesterday "You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. Class act, can you imagine if
someone called Hilary a pig. Disgraceful. FR
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Why don't they return the contributions in order to lessen the taxpayer burden, of course the media will never ask that. RR
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Sept 9
CBC......Here are the top Campaign Contributions recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900
2. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550
Any surprise they were allowed to operate as a quasi government entity. Any surprise we the taxpayers have to bail them out.This is the
result when Government gives out houses with no income check, no credit check and they will lend you 110% of the price of your home,
great business model
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Why isn't that crook Rangle stepping down. Just another fake, phony fraud LP
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EF writes "almost all Americans, including Obama, Clinton, and other Democrats fully and openly support every man and woman fighting
it." Yet they voted twice NOT to fund the troops. ER
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Everyone knows the Dems have brought into the Alinsky ideology, how do you think Kennedy got elected in 60. Remember Chicago on
election night, "the ends justify the means" AGB
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McCain/Palin surging in the polls, the media will be in full attack mode, it's going to get ugly. SR
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No SP the people who post on this site prefer the truth on the issues and not political spin. RR
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After two weeks we are finally getting some attention on the dead fish, saw Joe Addabbo on the news last night. Where are all the
environmental wackos I have lived on the canal for 30 years and have never seen anything like this yet it takes for two weeks for any
attention. BC
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Sept 8
CBC...I have been looking for that article for two weeks since Alinsky was first mentioned. I knew I had it somewhere, remember its from
2003.
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You are the best CBC, the article above is great. I just sent it to all my friends, it really puts things into perspective. Thanks LP
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Everyone knows you would prefer arch-conservative talking points only.
Everyone also knows there are 2 sides to every story and usually
somewhere in between is the truth. SP
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Really surprised Bloomberg is backing Serf Maltese, now that he is not a Republican he can endorse anyone, guess he thinks Maltese is
the best man. ER
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EF the only lies are coming from the Dems, here are some facts: On 9/11/01 Al Qaeta was in the US, we have not had an attack since,
they are too busy in losing in Iraq. I guess the Dems want the people of the US to fight them here in the US rather then have our military
fight them in Iraq lintel from every country concluded that Sadam was developing weapons of mass destruction. Review some of Bill
Clinton's speeches in the 90's. Two months prior to 9/11 Mohammed Atta met with high ranking Iraqi officials in Frankfort. Is anyone that
stupid to believe if Sadam had them he would not get the to Al Qaeta. Better be safe then sorry. The Dems and the media continue to
shape public opinion with their lies. Really sick of all the lies. VB
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Sept 7
Another Democratic party failure, the Government has to bail out Democratic country club Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. RR
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Bloomberg endorses Serf Matese Bloomberg http://www.nypost.
com/seven/09062008/news/regionalnews/bloomy_backs_former_gop_foe_127814.htm
states: Maltese has a "long record of delivering for the people of Queens and New York City,"
Serfs UP!!! VB
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You are wrong EF, Media Research Center is well respected, typical lib move to discreat an instution you don't agree with. RR
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Hey MC why do you waste your time replying to this jerk SP, its obvious all his doing is posting Lib talking points which are blame America
falsehoods. ER
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The viewpoint of a majority of Americans in regard to the war in Iraq
has been well documented. Most Americans know full well they were lied
to and by whom. Despite their views on the rightness or wrongness of
that front in the War on Terror, almost all Americans, including Obama,
Clinton, and other Democrats fully and openly support every man and woman
fighting it. To imply otherwise is false. EF
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The largest military re-enlistments in history.....
Does your lib-dominated news services put this historical import on the front pages...or even bother to report it?
Low morale in the military? You libs failed to create it. You will see what you deserve -- your failure -- here.
Like you libs and your prophet, the Obama-owned media are phakes, phonies, and phrauds.
Here it is on You Tube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJm24amxaY&feature=related
And here is General Betrayus telling you how it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcQqzISEqLY&feature=related
Semper Fi! AGB
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Sept 6
John McCain's son is in Iraq serving our nation so we can throw diatribes and curses at John McCain and call him an old
fool.
Sarah Palin's son is leaving for Iraq next week to serve our nation so that we can throw insults and diatribes at Sarah Pelin
and call her daughter a whore.
Baraq O'Bama's son is going to...wait, he has no son. He has no American Flag Lapel Pin either... it's too heavy and spoils
the streamlined look of his empty suit.
Baraq O'Bama throws diatribes at McCain and Palin whose sons are in the line of fire and ready to die for you and he. And
he speaks to us about patriotism. They tell us that we are "In the Wrong War; at the Wrong Time; in The Wrong Place.
Except that we are not.
The American people have been lied to. Obama and Biden have failed to acknowledge that 550 metric tons of Saddam-era
yellowcake (the subject of Bush's Lies) was shipped to Canada in July. Enough to make over 150 nuclear bombs. Both have
failed to inform Americans in their stump speeches that we are winning in Iraq; winning a war that they are ready to
surrender after having spent over 4000 lives of our youth. In their world full of hate, they call it Patriotism.
Wrong war? I say, wrong O'Bama assumptions taken logically to wrong O'Bama conclusions from which O'Bama would make
life and death decisions affecting every American. It is a matter of record.
How about plain unadulterated bull and pathetically poor judgment?
Nothing wrong recognizing that fact if one were just a little bit honest. O'Bama honest? Do YOU know anything about this
man? AGB
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SP, I asked if you were friends with terrorists, not the people of HB. The people of HB realize the danger to our country and
community and would notify the proper authorities if they knew someone like Bill Ayers was planning to kill innocent
people. MC
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Media Research Center is not exactly noted for producing bias-free
research data. Brent Bozell who runs it has an agenda which he works to
advance. EF
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Sept 5
The media's coverage of the 2008 Presidential candidates
is recklessly skewed. Left unchecked and unchallenged, it
could taint the election process!The Media Research Center just released a 7-month
study of morning news shows and found the networks
are giving nearly twice as much airtime to Democratic
candidates. Even worse, these segments actively promoted
the liberal agenda.
In other words, the networks aren't even trying to
hide their bias!
I have just signed a national petition launched by the
Media Research Center demanding balance in 2008 election
coverage, and am urging you to do the same by
clicking here:
http://www.mrcaction.org/506/petition.asp?PID=18095054&NID=1
(Note: You can access the full MRC Report, "Rise and Shine
on Democrats," by clicking on the above link.)
The MRC is mobilizing 100,000 citizens over the next 30 days,
and will present the petitions to the media as soon as our
goal has been reached.
Please take a moment to add your name:
AGB
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MC- The FBI likes to talk to lots of people in HB, and often does. SP
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There is no difference between the three community organizers, just one is a little slicker then the other two. Amazing how
some jerks in HB would even consider voting for him. Suicide wish I guess. CB
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Picked up the local HB paper, the one with the name of the non profit organization on its office and not the publication's
name, many articles were slamming Maltese. One particular article was complaining about a mailer sent out by Maltese
criticizing Joe Addabbo and the city council and not having the Maltese name on it (Iike we didn't know it came from
Maltese) Do they think people are that stupid. Joe Addabbo is running a covert campaign through that newspaper and they
accuse Maltese of improprieties. Like I said people are not that stupid, they know what is going on. BS
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Socialism is a danger to any country, SP has to stop reading revisionist history. Freedom is always compromised as
government gains more power and living conditions deteriorate. The Obama doctrine. RR
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SP, are you friends with terrorists, if you are then you are a danger to our country. The FBI may want to speak to you. And
thats a fact! MC
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Sept 4
CBC..What we all saw last night was from the heart, it was not a Hollywood production like what we witnessed a week
earlier, very impressive was Sarah Palin
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Hey CBC what do you have to say about Palin now, you were quick to compare her experience with Obama over the
weekend. FR
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MC- I probably have read far more history than you have. That Obama's
agenda is Socialist is a conclusion drawn by you from your opinions
regarding facts mixed with opinions. Others may easily draw different
conclusions from the same set of facts and different opinions. Obama
befriending a terrorist is a danger to our country, is an opinion. That the
friend is a terrorist is fact. A more local example would be: Mr. X is
a convicted criminal - fact. Mr. X is a gangster and Mr. X is my
friend - both could be fact, both could be just opinion. My friendship with
Mr. X makes me a gangster and/or a criminal too. - also opinion which
also could or could not be fact.
You might want to do some reading on how to distinguish between what is
propaganda and what is not. I am beginning to think MC may stand for
McCarthy- he saw Socialists and Communists under the bed
Those Democratic wackos protesting in Minneapolis are the same groups funded by George Soros who is also giving
money to Joe Addabbo. SR
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She was fabulous. Finally a real America to represent us and not an elitist politician. NM
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Obama's socialist agenda is dangerous for our country, read some history SP, that is not an opinion. Obama befriending a
terrorist is a danger to our country, not an opinion. You will learn. MC
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Sept 3
I guess those Democratic wackos at the Republican convention are exercising their freedom to destroy property and
assault delegates. Disgraceful. RR
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CBC.....It now official, we now know more about Sarah Palin in 3 days then we do about Barack Obama. The major media in
this country is out of control, they have lost all objectivity. It is scary. All we keep hearing is how "historic" this election is,
Joe Lieberman's speech at the RNC was also "historic" yet to the media it was no big deal. I can't ever remember a former
VP candidate speaking at the other parties convention.
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Fred Thompson said it all last night. ER
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MC- That Obama’s agenda is Socialist and/or a danger to America is
your opinion. Your opinions of your fellow countrymen like me who are
undecided that we are therefore gullible, wide-eyed, young, or ignorant
are just more clear indications of your lack of respect for those with
whom you do not agree. And, I was also kind to you. SP
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Sept 2
CBC...I was quoting the racist Mayor of New Orleans, he first coined the phase "Chocolate City" if you have a problem with
that take it up with him. If he can use it so can I.
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You should be ashamed of yourself CBC for calling New Orleans "Chocolate City" you are just another Howard Beach
racist. JB
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Is anyone surprised by the Dems attempt to quiet free speech, they have been doing that to anyone who disagrees with
they for years. Look at the fairness doctrine, they will try to silence talk radio ER
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Obama's terrorist friend Bill Ayers is a fact, Obama's racist pastor is a fact, Obama'a socialist agenda is a danger to America,
thats also a fact, Michelle Obama never being proud of our country is a fact. Obama being dangerous for this country is a
fact, After all that if someone is still undecided they are either a gullible wide-eye young person caught up in the hype or
just plain ignorant, I was kind to you SP. MC
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Katrina was the result of incompetent leaders in local government, they like to blame Bush but the truth of the matter was
poor planning on a local level, buses sat idle while people were trapped. They never asked for federal help until it was too
late.VB
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Addabbo fails to renew his law license, fails to comply with filing regulations, and has been fined several times in the past
by the Campaign Finance Board. I'm surprised he remembers to put his socks on before his shoes in the morning. How can
anyone vote for this mess to hold a higher office in the state senate, when he proved that he can't even get a grasp on his
current smaller responsibilities as a city councilman. Read the papers people, we don't make this stuff up. His slogan
should be - vote for Joe Addabbo, I have a proven track record of breaking the law and being unorganized don't you think
I deserve a promotion? PM
Sept 1
CBC.....Gustav slams "The Chocolate City" Incompetent Mayor Nagin in over his head again, at least Blanco is out and they
have a competent Governor who coordinated the preparations
August 31
CBC..We have no conformation on the O2 pumps but one thing I can tell you is that around 2 weeks ago the canal water
was almost lime gree nin color for nearly a day, residents along the canal never have seen the water such a color. Don't
know if there is a connection
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I heard the dead fish are coming in from the bay which would make the oxygen pump explanation incorrect. TG
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MC- Perhaps you should reread your post. You say you only post facts.
Your statement that my being undecided still as to whom I am voting for
is ludicrous is your opinion regarding my statement, not a fact. That
Obama is a danger to everything America stands for is also an opinion.
Ergo, you do not only post facts, you also post opinions. Your
statement that I must be a gullible, young, and wide-eyed person who cannot
read people is an opinion, and in my opinion, is as inaccurate as many of
your other conclusions. The skills needed to learn how to distinguish
between fact and opinion are taught from elementary school on. My
opinion is that you were not paying attention during those lessons in your
school years. SP
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At least Palin ended state sales tax on gas once the price of went up and she wants more dilling. NM
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Where the hell are our local officials, we have had dead fish washing up for 3 days and still no information. They all must
be campaigning at block parties. SR
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August 30
Great ad, it should be shown on every station, keep it up til the election CBC so everyone will know the true Obama. LP
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SP, you must be a gullible wide eye young person who cannot "read" people, you will learn. I don't hype anything I only
post facts not fairy tales like some others on this site. To disregard Wright, Ayers, Obama's socialist past et al and you are
still undecided is ludicrous, Obama is a danger to everything America stands for, you brought in hook, line and sinker. MC
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That is so typical of the libs to try and silence anyone who disagrees with them. RR
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Did anyone see any of the interviews with Sarah Palin, she was fabulous. Great choice McCain! SR
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CBC..We have it on the home page but the explanation in NOT confirmed. We heard that pump which pumps oxygen into
the canal failed the last two days and the fish are not getting enough O2. Don't know if I can believe that but we will
continue to try and get an answer.
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Does anyone know why all the bunker fish are dying? DD
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August 29
CBC...Lets put Obama and Palin on the same ticket, it would be "historic" Two weeks of experience between the two of
them.
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Hey EF you are confusing nepotism and affirmative action. Nepotism is what you Democrats do all the time for their donors
and affirmative action is just another word for reverse discrimination. It is based on ones skin color or gender. MC
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What is with Joe Addabbo with all these missteps, usually when a political doesn't disclose things they are trying to hide
something. Say it ain't so, Joe VB
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Hey MC - I am not falling for your hype either. If I looked beyond your
words and looked into your eyes or heard the tone of your voice, I
might conclude you are filled with hatred. As they say, perception is in
the eye of the perceiver, and perception is not always fact. I could be
wrong in any perception I have of you and you could be wrong in any
perception you have of Michelle Obama. Anyway, she is not running for
president, her husband is and I have not yet decided whether I am voting
for him or his opponent. SP
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Picked up some of the local papers today and they had Baldeo all over the front page, we discussed that a week ago, keep
up the good work CBC. LP
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Hey ER – Addabbo, Pheffer, and Meeks are Dems and in my opinion, Joe
and Audrey are not liberal in many of their views. I would describe Joe
and Audrey as being from the moderate wing of the Democratic Party and
Meeks as being more liberal. I applied the term lib bashing to some
persons who post on this site who do, in my opinion, regularly utilize a
particular tactic of which Alinsky was a proponent, which is the
personalization of attack. Now, before anyone says that I am defending
Alinsky, let me make it perfectly clear that in my opinion he was a person
whose goals were anti-democratic – small d. However, not everyone
who uses his tactics or has modified them in some way necessarily shares
his goals. Tactics are not ideology. EF
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CBC.....Well the Greek festival is over, the Dems showed everyone they are all fluff and no substance. I was waiting for
Madonna to take the stage. It was not too Presidential. If I have time I will post some quotes from Alinsky so everyone can
see the man Michelle quoted from.
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That Obama video is pretty funny, I think I can see SP and EF in the crowd. RR
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SP, you have to learn to look beyond the words, look into Michelle Obama's eyes, she is filled with hatred . Listen to the
tone of her voice and her facial expressions, don't fall for the hype. MC
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Hey EF, I didn't know Joe Addabbo, Audrey Pheffer and Meeks were Libs, ER
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Hey CBC- I did not defend Alinsky. In fact I expressed no opinion in regard
to him. I merely stated the fact that some local churches were active
in an organization linked very closely to Alinsky. If my memory serves
me right, a Father Lynch from Gate of Heaven was a prime mover in
getting local congregations to become involved in an organization known as
QCO, the Queens Citizens Organization. Among the congregations in
Queens that actively participated in it for a number of years was OLG. A
number of parishioners were actively involved in the group’s
activities in this area and in the borough at large. Of course, those people
were not Communists despite that they and the organization regularly used
tactics that Alinsky’s IAF promoted. My point I was making was that,
in my opinion,you were trying to play the guilt by association game
with your comment vis a vis Alinsky and Mrs. Obama.
If you go to the IAF website you may read the following:
Quote-The current generation of IAF organizations began in the
mid-1970's and was the product of the insight and effort of the person who
succeeded Saul Alinsky as executive director of the IAF, Edward T.
Chambers. The first three modern IAF groups were the Citizens Organized for
Public Service (COPS), in San Antonio, Texas; Baltimoreans United in
Leadership Development (BUILD), in Maryland; and the Queens Citizens
Organization (QCO), in New York. –unquote- SP
August 28
Addabbo fails to file campaign accounts- read the article www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/08/27/2008-08-
27_queens_councilman_addabbo_fails_to_file_-2.html PC
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CBC... What would compel you to defend a vile despicable person like Saul Alinsky is beyond me but that is your right SP. I
will not allow you to associate this atheist with our Church or the wonderful people who volunteer their services. Our
Church would never condone any of his radical ideology. With all the great past Americans which Michelle could have
quoted she decided upon Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals handbook, I find that deplorable and so should all Americans.
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I think the Dems should have their next convention in Being, they have more in common with Red China then America. ER
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What a waste of money these conventions are, give all that money back to the people who need it. I would like to know the
carbon footprint of the convention. VB
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One of the favorite tactics of Saul Alinsky is pretty commonly used in
comments by some people on this site. He advocated the personalization
of attacks on elected officials. Among his rules for radicals is: Pick
the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. That is just
what some radical right posters here are trying to do when they
personalize their attacks on Joe, Audrey, and Meeks and when they personally
attack anyone who writes anything they disagree with here with the tired
old lib bashing. EF
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Alinsky's ideas were the driving force behind the once very active
Queens Citizens Organization known as QCO. Local churches, among them Gate
of Heaven and OLG were very active in that group for years. Are our
churches also populated by Communists? Do not think so.
George W. Bush went to Yale. Dis he get in by following the same
process your kid or mine would have to or did he get in as what they call a
legacy cuz his daddy went there. John McCain went to the Naval Academy.
Did he get in by the same process your kid or mine would have to
follow or did he get in cuz his daddy and grandpa were admirals?
Affirmative action for the elite. SP
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August 27
It's bad enough we had 2 years of this do nothing Democratic congress, the last thing our country needs now is 4 years of
Obama along with this Congress which approval rating is the lowest ever. ER
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That was refreshing CBC, you said what everyone thinks, but won't say. Obama and his wife are arrogant phony's.LP
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I cannot even watch 5 minutes of the Democratic convention, they have blocked drilling for 10 years and then they
complain how high gas prices are destroying America, what hypocrites. MC
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CBC.....Michelle Obama quoted from Saul Alinsky's communist racial handbook 3 times in her speech. A little insight into
the person she is.
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The more I see the Democrats the more socialist they become, everything is wrong with our country according to them,
well what is wrong is what they want to do to this country. They want change we can't afford. NM
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August 26
Ted Kennedy looked great last night, a true American hero. GM
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CBC...We are back, The Dems kicked off their convention last night with American hater Michelle Obama speaking. She has
never been proud of her country and thinks America is a mean country, this coming from someone who attended an Ivory
league College despite the fact that 100's or even 1,000's of students were more qualified then she. Michelle and Barack
were accepted into Ivory League Schools because they were black, they both should kiss the ground they walk on and
thank every American for their opportunity, Lord knows we probably paid for a good portion of their education. Where
does this end, they get opportunities thanks to the racist policy of affirmative action and they are still angry. Shows
everyone their true character, most of us would be eternally grateful.
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August 25
Addabbo took money from the American hater George Soros, whos next Joe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Tell Soros you love
this country and to stick his money up his _ _ _. ER
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Baldeo never had a chance so it is no big deal that he dropped out, I am sure the Queens Democrats gave him an offer he
couldn't refuse. RR
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New poll you will not hear about on the news: 60% of Americans consider themselves as conservative despite the liberal
media, Hollywood and our educational institutions. AGB
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August 24
Why are they trying to make Biden out to be some kind of foreign affairs expert, he is what he had to say about the surge:
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the panel’s chairman, said the legislation is “not an attempt to embarrass the president. … It’s
an attempt to save the president from making a significant mistake with regard to our policy in Iraq.”
…Biden, who sponsored the measure with Hagel and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich, chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee, said the measure is aimed at getting the administration’s attention. He noted that Bush has said he will be
moving forward with his Iraq plans he outlined in a Jan. 10 address regardless of what Congress says.
The measure “is designed to let the president know that there are many in both parties, Democrats and Republicans, that
believe a change in our mission to go into Baghdad — in the midst of a civil war — as well as a surge in ground troops … is
the wrong way to go, and I believe it will have the opposite — I repeat — opposite effect the president intends,” Biden
said. The man has insulted just about every ethnic group in the US and has gotten away with it for 30 years. AGB
August 23
I thought Obama was for "change" why would he pick a 30 year Washington insider as his running mate. ER
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He should have picked Hilary then the Dems would have won. MM
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Daily News says Baldeo is quitting and endorsing Joe. SP
August 22, 2008
quote-Baldeo To End Campaign, Endorse Addabbbo
Democratic sources confirm Albert Baldeo, who came within some 800
votes of ousting veteran Republican Sen. Serphin Maltese in 2006, will
throw his support to the Democratic establishment candidate, Councilman Joe
Addabbo, this afternoon and stop campaigning...unquote
August 22
They have started building that motel near Pitkin and Crossbay on a residential block, how could our Community Board and
local politicians allow this to happen. We already have one welfare motel across Crossbay Blvd and now another a block
away. Disgraceful. JL
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MC- How is it false to say Malcolm Smith could be replaced? He was
voted in, he could be voted out. Maybe everybody knows, Audrey is going to
run for Borough President in the future, and maybe everybody doesn’t.
It is not false to state she is running for the Assembly, she is, that
is fact, not false. Perhaps she could lose in a race for Borough
President in a primary. If she does, she would still be in the Assembly.
ER- What Barron did does not bother me, it is just one reason among
many others that lead me to prefer the Democrat to run against Serf to be
Joe rather than Baldeo. EF
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August 21
Baldeo is not Italian nor Latino, he is Guyanese. AA
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I find it amazing that this person EF is so bothered by Baldeo standing with Barron in our community calling one person
Joe Addabbo a racist, yet when Addabbo stands behind Barron and Sharpton calling everyone in HB racist that doesn't
bother this person at all. What a fake. ER
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Hey EF, if Serf wipes out so does Howard Beach. RR
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I can't let EF continue to post false statements, there is no way Malcolm Smith will be replaced by the Democrats, they
having be introducing him for the last 3 years as the "next State Senate Majority Leader" If they ever tried the black would
claim racism. Everyone knows Audrey Pheffer is going to run for Queens Borough President, lets get our facts straight. MC
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Baldeo is not running against Maltese, he is running against Addabbo and the post don't paint a pretty picture for Addabbo
especially in his back yard. I think Baldeo could use them against Joe and not Serf. LP
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August 20
Hey RL- Serf's heading for a wipe out. EF
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All this guy Baldeo needs to do is clip some of these nasty comments
and play them up in the other neighborhoods that are more diverse. They
do not paint a pretty picture of Serf supporters. SP
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Before there is the November election there is the Primary. The
Democrat to run against Maltese will be determined on Sept. 9. I much prefer
to see the November race be between Addabbo and Maltese, rather than
have Baldeo be the Dem to run against Serf again. Therefore I will be
voting for Joe on Sept. 9.
Blacks do not hate the citizens of HB any more than the citizens of HB
hate Blacks. Yes, there are haters in this world of all persuasions,
but to lump all of any group as being or doing anything is asinine. As
far as Malcolm Smith is concerned, he could very well and very easily be
replaced as the Senate Dem leader when and if the Senate changes
hands.
It is not a race between Addabbo and Maltese yet. Until Baldeo, a man
who has stood in our community with Charles Barron to call Joe a racist,
is beaten in the Primary and the primary is over there is no Dem yet
as the candidate. Baldeo lost to Maltese by a hair in 2006. There are
far less Republicans now in the district. Baldeo can win against
Maltese and so can Joe in November. If Maltese goes down, I far prefer it
to be to Joe than to Baldeo. I would suggest that you might too
although you would prefer Serf to win in November. By the way, Audrey is
running for the Assembly seat. EF
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When you hear a Democrat use the term "changing demographics" it means immigrants both legal and illegal plus
minorities are moving into the neighborhood and the Democrats will do everything to get them registered to vote. MC
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August 19
Addabbo Article:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08192008/news/regionalnews/dems_legal_lapse_125099.htm
Didn't anyone see the article about Joe Addabbo in todays New York Post. It supports what we have known all along, that
he claims to be something that he is not, and just like he has always done in the past - does not follow through with his
promises and political obligations to himself and to the community. Don't trust him with your vote, he can barely take care
of his own legal battles forget about taking care of the rights of the neighborhood in which he serves. I'm sure his friends
Sharpton, Baron, and that loser EF can think of an excuse for him. November can't come soon enough. In the mean time it's
still August and time to hit the beach, Serf's Up ! RL
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Wrong again EF, Baldeo garnered some votes in HB because everyone thought he was Italian, he also captured many
Latino votes because they thought he was Hispanic. So EF will vote for Addabbo knowing that a black run Democratic State
Senate will be catastrophic for HB, we all know blacks hate the citizens of HB and having a black Governor and Senate will
be our ruination. As long as a Democrat get in is all that EF cares about, not our community, CB had it correct, Addabbo
should have run for Phefer's seat and everyone would have voted for him but he chose to sell out his community in favor
of the black Democrats. This is no longer a race between Maltese and Addabbo, HB can not let the State Senate be taken
over by racketeers like Malcolm Smith and others who hate HB. Thats the message that the citizens of HB must know
before November so spread the word. MC
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Hey CB, Why are you surprised Addabbo has to cater to Blacks because they run the Democratic party in this area as the
article above shows. He showed his true colors showing up with Sharpton and Baron on Crossbay during the Nick
Mannucci debacle. His father must be turning over in his grave how he sold out this neighborhood.RR
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And this guy Smith is in bed with DA Brown, we never had a chance. What a way to conduct government. ER
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It's ok Joe, my vote will cancel out CB. HB is a very small part of
the Senate District. Baldeo did not get HB votes last time and he came
very, very close without them. Two years later, same voter pool in HB,
but lots more Dems, fewer Reps due to changing demographics in the
northern areas of the district. Baldeo gets them and Baldeo wins. Years ago
there was some popular grafitti in the area that HB ruled all, not
true in terms of the different elective districts we are in. EF
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CBC...Lets see if the price of oil goes up after the Olympics, I have a feeling the recent downturn can be attributed to less
demand from China over the past month because many Chinese were not permitted to drive due to the pollution. I hope I
am wrong.
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The article above says what Malcolm Smith did was illegal, lets see if he gets indited. This is the same Democratic machine
which threw HB under the bus last Halloween. Their behavior is much worse then the mob and yet some choose to defend
these gangsters, ignorance is blind. MC
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Hey MC- Call me all the names you want. If you choose to interpret my
posts, as you say, as being in defense of liberal Democrats no matter
what they do, that is your problem, not mine. Anyone with even a
rudimentary grasp of logical argument knows exactly what I meant with the
labeling comment I made to SP. That you do not is also your problem, not
mine. EF
August 18
Sorry Joe, I like you but I can't vote for you this time, you are letting the blacks use you so they can control the State
Senate. With a black Governor we need some representation in Albany, you should have run for Audrey's seat. CB
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Hey EF, Why are you afraid to admit that you are a racial liberal, stand up and be a man or woman. You are labeled that
because of your post and constant defending of liberal Democrats no matter what they do. It is in no way akin to HB
residents being labeled racist or gangsters, we see your posts. MC
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Hey RR- I do not want you do to any work for me. I already know that you cannot offer any proof whatsoever for your prior
statement that the Democratic Party has at any level called our troops terrorists, because
no such statement has been made.
So now I guess you want to change the subject by not proving one nonsensical claim you made by offering another
nonsensical claim. It is not a fact that the Democratic Party or all politicians aligned with it are
anti-religion. I, and anyone else who chooses to, can most certainly worship God and be a Democrat, even a liberal one,
contrary to your statement. What is a fact is that people have differing views in regard to
how the uniquely American concept of separation of church and state isinterpreted and applied. That is a far cry from
being anti-religion. SP
August 17
The graduation rate for city schools went up to 58% last year, lets raise taxes a few billion and maybe we can get it up to
60%. Great school system. LP
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Hey SP- Some of the people who post here overlook both gradations and additional alternatives between extreme
positions. There is a vast space in the middle of the political spectrum between left and right they
tend to overlook. The tendency toward name-tagging like calling someone anti-American, liberal, or whatever else for that
matter assumes that the attachment of labels to people constitutes evidence for conclusions
about the people to which the label is applied. It is sort of like the tendency of some people from outside of Howard Beach
to label all of us racists or gangsters. Other people who have no personal knowledge
of us then assume that it is true because the fact that the label has been attached makes it so in their minds. It is the
fallacious old big lie theory. Say something often enough and loud enough therefore that
makes it true. EF
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Like a typical liberal you want someone else to do the work for you, google them yourself. I am sure you already know what
they said. The party and the politicians you defend have shown to be anti-religion and that is a fact so you can't worship
God and still be aliened with these people. RR
August 16
Call Weiner's office and tell him how sick you are of high gas and food prices. Stop working for Pelosi and start working for
us, start drilling now, we owe it to our kids. Phone:718.318.9255. ER
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Hey RR- You produced some names of prominent Democrats, yet you failed
to provide any statement made by any one of them in the name of the
Democratic Party in which they called our troops terrorists to back up
your earlier comment regarding Democrats in which you declaratively stated
that particular political party calls our troops terrorists.
It is nonsense for you to state that I WORSHIP those persons you
mention. How do you propose to back up that nonsensical statement with any
factual proof of it. In terms of worship, I worship my God, not
political figures. In terms of the political figures you mentioned, some I
agree with, others I do not.
It is also nonsense for you to declare that all of those you mentioned
are anti-American. You may erroneously cling to your belief that I am
anti-American. That is offensive, but it is your right to believe it.
You could also believe the world is flat if you want to, but that
belief would not be correct, as fact belies it. What I believe is that
people who call others names because their political opinions differ,
demonstrate their own lack of respect for the basic premise of democracy and
political discourse among people. SP
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The media loves Obama now, wait til after the convention it will get much worst. They are worse then the Chinese media
and we are supposed to have free press here. LP
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August 15
I hear Vladimir Putin will be the keynote speaker at the Democratic convention. JB
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SP you only hear what you want to, here are some Democratic names: John Kerry, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin,
Harry Reid, John Murha, Michael Moore and I could go on and on, these are the people you worship SP, they are anti-
Americans and therefore I have to believe you are the same. RR
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I am so sick of you Democrats and your un-patriotic ideology. Higher taxes and higher gas prices will do wonders for our
economy. Makes no sense. PC
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August 14
Hey RR- I do not answer for the Democratic Party. That being said, I am
aware of no statement made in the name of the Democratic Party that
has called our troops terrorists. If you are aware of any such statement
made by the Democratic Party at the national, state, or local level,
produce it. I do not know of any statement made in the name of the
Democratic Party calling the president a terrorist, however, I would
imagine that an individual, who happens to be a Democrat may have. If it was
said here, I would condemn it.
As far as Reverends Sharpton and Wright are concerned, I may have not
written anything here in regard to their comments as neither posts here
to my knowledge. If they do. I will. I have commented on their antics
and their less than acceptable rhetoric elsewhere.
The right to freedom of speech does not have to be exercised crudely or
offensively. As far as I am concerned, JB was both crude and
offensive in referring to other people as garbage. As you say, I could ignore
and not read a post I find offensive. However, this site is supposed
to be for the free and open exchange of opinions, ideas concerns and
beliefs. You can comment as you wish and I can comment as I wish. SP
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CBC...THe UN has done a great job in Georgia, what a wonderful organization. The US Government collected 2.5 trillion in
taxes last year. still not enough for the Dems.
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That is a great article you posted above CBC, I hope the lefties in this room read it. SR
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HB has never received our fair share and you are correct in blaming our local politicians for not delivering, the problem is
that the Democrats and Republicans are in bed together and we will never get anyone to represent the people unless an
Independent runs but an Independent could never win. DC
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All of a sudden SP has a big mouth, when his party calls our troops and president terrorist during a time of war, nothing is
said, when Rev. Wright said "God Damn America' that was free speech according to SP when Sharpton and Barron divide
the races, nothing but silence. When a person expresses an opinion based on personal experience SP is outraged, what a
fake you are, Freedom Of Speech remember SP if you don't like it then don't read the post. RR
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JB- I chose to comment about your choice of words in describing other
people as garbage. I have not disparaged any member of our armed
services nor have I disparaged my country or called its president, whose
policies I dislike, names. Therefore your over generalization about liberals
is fallacious. You may rationalize all you wish to justify your
choice of words, but referring to other people as garbage is disrespectful.
I write what I think on this site and am under no obligation to confine
what I write to topics you want me to write about. SP
August 13
Since when you Libs care about respect, they have disparaged our troops, our country, have called our President every
name imaginable. You choose not to post any comments about that SP. When people make promises to this community and
never deliver they are indeed GARBAGE. No matter how many volunteers we have if we get no representation from our
local leaders we have no chance. JB
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August 12
Why don't our local leaders stop people from making U-turns on 157th. Every day I get caught for 2 lights turning into Old
Howard. Sent them up to Starbucks to make a U_turn it would help reduce congestion at that intersection. BC
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August 11
That broken fence in the park is disgraceful, there is no excuse for not having it repaired after all this time. Keep voting in
the same people and nothing will ever get done. SR
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JB- Meeks, Weiner, Addabbo, and Pheffer may be people you do not like
or choose to vote for. That is your perogative. That you believe it is
acceptable political or even personal discourse to call people garbage
is sad. I pity you. In essence, the public are the employers of
elected officials. However, that fact gives you no more right to be
personally disrespectful to them than if your employer referred to you as
garbage because he or she did not like the way you performed your job.
You say you have been involved for many years and that I should take it
from you that your judgments are correct. What constitutes your
involvement? There is always a need for active, committed volunteers like
Mrs. McCloskey in all areas of community life. SP
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CBC.....Gas prices coming down is similar to a tax cut, it puts more money in your pocket which in turn helps the economy.
Hopefully it will also help out the foreclosure situation, people will have more money to pay their mortgages. No need for a
mortgage bailout, just drill, drill and drill some more. Would like to know how many foreclosures were caused by the high
energy and food costs, which were caused by the Democrats refusal to drill.
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Anyone see any numbers over the weekend as to the lost revenues for the city due to Bloomberg's Manhattan block party.
Businesses must have taken a beaten so the wackos can ride bikes and roller skate. What a joke. PC
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SP, you don't understand, I didn't "rag on" Ms McCloskey, she gets no help from our local Democratic leaders. I have been
involved for many years and you can take it from me, Meeks is garbage, Weiner is garbage, Addabbo is garbage and
Pheffer is close, they tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing. Ms McCloskey will tell you the same, off the
record. What you have to learn is that there should not be a need for Ms McCloskey and her volunteers, we are not asking
for a dome over the tennis courts, we just want routine maintenance to which we are entitled to. Government is
responsible for maintaining safe, clean parks for its citizens, same as garbage collection or road repair, that is why we pay
taxes, Ms McCloskey should not have to beg local politicians for normal maintenance, it is their job to keep the park safe
and clean, that is what we pay them for. There has been an unsafe condition since February in the park and it still has not
been fixed, it should have been repaired before any Little Leaguer took to the fields in March and for you to defend such
action shows me you are either ignorant or just as someone posted a while ago 'A Democratic cool aid drinker" in either
case I pity you. JB
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August 10
JB- So how is it ok for you to denigrate the hard work of your fellow citizens like Dorothy McCloskey by saying she has
gotten nowhere? She and those who have worked with her over those years have gotten somewhere
as apparently the effort resulted in funding by Weiner a few years ago and funding by Meeks now. She has also gotten a
successful tennis program for our kids among other things. It could be argued that 2 million
is nowhere near enough, but to say the person who led the effort to improve the park, and by extension all those who
helped her along the way, got nowhere is an unacceptable insult to them. In polite society it
is customary to say thank you to those who do you a service. Rag on Meeks all you want. Mrs. McCloskey, and her
committee, the civic, and others who participated with her are VOLUNTEERS. They are providing a
service. If you think they have gotten nowhere, come out from behind your initials, stand before your neighbors, and be
the VOLUNTEER who leads the committee to get the next pot offunding. SP
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JB- Take 2 aspirin and rant on. EF
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At the very least they are hearing us, we need more people to get involved on this site. The more people the louder our
voice will become. FR
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August 9
CBC...I don't know what role if any our little blog played in securing that funding but as I have stated previously city, state
and federal politicians visit this site regularly and that is a good thing. At least they are listening to what their constituents
have to say and they must be commended for that.
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The "ranting" along with the Chronicle article pushed Meeks to take action. Ms. McCloskey has been working many years
and getting nowhere so don't tell us about working together EF, it was you who defended Meeks and Weiner for not
allocating the funding. It is amazing how you would classify your fellow citizens posts as "rants" but when Sharpton and
Barron who truly do rant, nothing but silence. You are so transparent it sickens me. JB
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You were right CBC, since Bush lifted the ban on drilling oil has done nothing but come down, now if we can get the
Democrats on board we will be fine. NM
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August 8
What the hell is 1 million, we got that much in 2000 and look at the park now. We need much more then that so lets not stop
fighting. TM
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Another self righteous Democratic liar gets caught. John Edwards has been telling us about the two Americans and how
we must take the higher road. What a hypocrite PC
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The earmark obtained by Congressman Meeks was accomplished through the efforts of those local leaders like Ms.
McCloskey and her committee who worked together with him at getting it and who worked with him and all of the local
elected officials together in the effort to prevent Gateway having the ability to divert it to fund other things in other parts
of Gateway. Working, not ranting, gets that kind of stuff done. EF
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It look as though we lite a fire under Meeks & Weiner, finally some of our taxes coming back to HB. We need more funding
1 mil is not enough. SR
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CBC......JS please don't use caps. Well the good news is that Charles Park is getting some much needed funding, ( Not
Enough, but it is a start) our complaints have been answered. Perhaps the posts on this page played a role, I do know the
local politicians visit this page including the House of Representatives, maybe your posts over the last 5 months pushed
them into action. More important is the fact that Charles Park is getting the funding, thanks to all involved.
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JUST READ DAILY NEWS ARTICLES. ONE ON REP. ANTHONY 'WEENIE WEINER
ON THOSE BOATS IN JAMAICA BAY. WOW WEENIE BIG NEWS, YET THIS POS
WHO WAS WITH PIGLOSI IN STOPPING THE DRILL VOTE TO TAKE PLACE OR
DEBATES. NEXT IS THE HOMELESS ARTICLE FUNNY HOW NYC TRIPLE THE
AMOUNT OF HOMELESS. 'ARE ALL THESE HOMELESS NY,ERS' HMMMMMMMMMM
WAS THERE NOT AFEW YEARS BACK MAYOR SAID THEY MUST COME AND REGIST.
WHAT HAPPEN 'THEY NEVER DID' KNOW WHY THE MORONS WHO RUN AND WORK
FOR THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE OUT OF JOBS. DID THE KATRINA PPL EVER GO
BACK? WAKE UP MY FRIENDS LOOK AT L.A. ON SCAMS WITH HOMELESS THREE
HOSP.'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. JUST LOOK AT HOW OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE
GOING UP UP UP, WITH THESE LEFTWING CON'S. AND SPINELESS DEM. LEADERS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS WE NEED HOPE AND CHANGE GET RID OF WEENIE SCHUMER
AND THOSE LOCAL LEADERS WHO ARE DONKEYS. J.S.
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Hey SR, thats the best idea I heard in awhile, let the people who want higher gas prices pay for it. They can put their money
where their mouth is and at the same time reduce pollution, the Dems should go for that all they ever do is to divide our
country by race, class, location etc. Divide and conquer. ER
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August 7
Hey MC, obviously from the content of his article Sen. McCain appears concerned enough about public education to take a
position on a particular plan for improvement. Therefore, contrary to what you said, I am not the only person worried about
it. Interesting that you seem to think that you know that no other person aside from me is worried about education.
Amazing that you can read the minds of everyone. By the way, education is both an entitlement and a government service.
The terms are not mutually exclusive of each other. Sen. Pelosi is perfectly capable of defending herself and whatever
positions she has taken on issues. As far as my opinion on the oil drilling issue, it is that neither the Republican nor
Democratic candidates for president or the present
administration has put forth an acceptable plan. EF I think Republicans should pay $2.50 a gallon for gas and the Dems who
want to pay more $6.50. Why stop them if they want to pay more, drive smart cars, ride bikes and use mass transit. More
power to them. SR
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AS, you shouldn't be scared, thats the change Obama speaks of, they want us to embrace it. ER
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Hey EF, you are the only one worried about public education, we gave up in the 80's, just another example of a
government service (not entitlement) which has been rendered useless. Wasteful spending, corruption, school board
indictments and the teachers union all contributed to it's demise, now it's on to health care. What is your opinion on your
despicable Democrats refusal to drill hurting the poor and middle class the most. Let's hear you defend Pelosi. MC
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August 6
Here you go, now you can stop worrying about the current state of education, McCain supports what Sharpton supports.
It's time for education reform
BY JOHN MCCAIN (source NY Daily News Op-Ed)
"Campaigning at town halls across America, I am often asked about my plans to reform our public schools. And the answer
begins with two points on which most everyone agrees: Every public school child deserves a
first-rate education. And too many of our schools are producing second-rate results.
Beyond that, the education debate divides quickly into two camps. Some say all that's needed is more taxpayer money,
along with more prekindergarten and after-school programs. Others believe that the basic
structure of the education system is flawed, and that fundamental reform is needed. You can put me squarely on the side
of major reform.These days, the cause of education reform crosses all boundaries of
party, race and financial means. In New York, Mayor Bloomberg and Schools Chancellor Joel Klein have taken up the
cause of reform, as have many others, including the Rev. Al Sharpton. These men are strong supporters
of the Education Equality Project, a group dedicated to finally changing the status quo in our education system..."
EF
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CBC........The behavior of the congressional Democrats is in excusable, Pelosi should be removed for not allowing a vote.
The Democratic argument over drilling makes no sense, they claim it will take too long to get the oil out of the ground, yet
they want us to rely on technologies that don't even exist at this time, also they claim the oil companies have leases that
they don't drill on. The leases they have has no oil or the oil on the lease is too difficult to get out. Give them new leases
where the oil can be easily and quickly extracted. We have to start somewhere. It is a national security issue that must be
addressed immediately and not wait until they come back from vacation. If a few oil producing countries decided to stop
exporting oil saying that they are running low and want to save what they have for their people, what are we to do. They
are putting the needs of the people last and their political agenda first. You are correct about Anthony Weiner doing the
leg work for Pelosi.
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PIGLOSI AND MISFITS WENT ON VACATIONS AND LEFT US WITH NO DRILL NOW
BY THE WAY JUST REMEMBER REP. ANTHONY WEINER ALL TALK AND NO ACTION
IS LIKE CHUCKIE PUTZ SCHUMER. ANTHONY 'WEENIE' WAS PART OF PIGLOSI PLOT
CLOSING DOWN CONGRESS. THEY KNOW THAT FRICKIN BILL WOULD PASS IF THE
VOTE WAS PUT ON FLOOR. THANK GOD FOR THOSE GOP REP'S WHO STOOD AND
WILL STAY ALL OF VACATION. LIKE MOST HAVE DONE IN MANY STATES SEND ALL
THESE NY MISFIT DEM LEADERS E-MAILS OR CALL THEIR OFFICE. TELL THEM STOP
DRILL NOW DRILL NOW DRILL NOW DRILL OIL RESERVES IS FOR EMER, USE DON'T
LISTEN TO THESE MIFITS TO TAP IT. J.S.
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Ok they really need to get off this Gotti trip, it's not the Gotti family we need to worry about. As for that video about
England, it's scary it truly is and I am speechless that's how scared it has me.
AS
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August 5
No wonder the deficit is so large with all the money the government has spent trying to get Gotti FS
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The government is going after Jr. Gotti again, they never stop. VB
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Baron should keep his mouth shut, he is the biggest racist on the council and should be in jail but he gets away with it
because he is black.. JB
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August 4
Now we have another incident, the cops shoot a black guy with a knife and now they want a special prosecutor. City
Councilman Barron is leading the charge. Why don't they just pass a law that under no circumstances cops cannot shoot a
black person. DC
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Came back to Howard Beach for the Feast, it was great. Will always miss HB. GM
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August 3
J&B built my home and did a wonderful job, I highly recommend them. It is obvious the Forum has some sort of vendetta
against J&B. They really need to find better stories to report on. JL
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Your videos above shows what America will become if Obama gets elected, it is not pretty. It has nothing to do with race,
his politics are just bad from America. We all need to do our part and make everyone aware of what this great country will
become, the media won't do it so we must. Tell you friends and family and CBC you must continue the fight for we are all in
a war. I am also calling on our local leaders to denounce this un-American charlatan. SR
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J&B has done a great job in this community and is a wonderful family run business, the Forum has to learn that this is
America and you are innocent until proven guilty. They were telling the community on Halloween not to jump to
conclusions and wait until all the facts are in. Two faced. MG
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August 2
Help out the environment and recycle useless unwanted garbage like the FORUM. Try not to let it be a total waste of paper
and trees like those Joe Addabbo junk mail ads. I myself use the FORUM as a substitute for many household items such as
toilet paper, firewood, paper mache, and to line the bottom of my bird cage. DO
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This jerk Malcome Smith is taking shots at the NYPD for the rapist in Queens, the cops are doing everything they can. He is
giving the cops one week to find the perp or call in the national guard. Just think this guy will become the State Majority
leader if Joe Addabbo wins in November, what a scary thought. I guess his next step is to accuse the NYPD of racism
because they are not working as hard to catch this creep. ER
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Obama say's get a tune-up and keep your tires properly inflated and we can save as much oil as if we started drilling, what
an idiot. CM
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Why put a huge photo of the guys house in the paper, J&B has always been a respected member of our community, why
don't they post a photo of the Forum office which doesn't even have a name on it. I wonder why. The Captain should do an
investigation into what is going on there. JS
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The Chronicle has a small article on page 13 about J & B and the Forum does a hachet job on fellow members of our
community, it was an obvious attempt to ruin their business. At least the Chronicle named the Captain as their source of
information. He allegetly stole a container worth $3,000 and they put it on the front page. That paper has got to go. VB
August 1
Pelosi shuts down Congress for vacation but Republicans refuse to leave until a vote on drilling takes place. Keep
fighting for us. ER
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CBC....US government gets record tax revenue from one company as Exxon profits soars. As government tax revenue
continue to drop due to the high cost of gas and food effecting the economy the government got some much needed help
from Exxon.
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J & B probably refused the advertise in the Forum so they decided to get even, thats what they do. RN
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I don't understand how the people of England would let this happen, they have such a rich history and they just sit back
and let their country go down the tubes. LP
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I am sick a tied of the Forum attacking members of our community, JB Construction has done a great job beautifying homes
in our area, I have used them twice and they have done an extraordinary job. That article is disgraceful, the Forum has
them convicted before they have even been indicted of anything. They always cite quotes from unnamed sources, I want
to know the name of the "police source" quoted in that article, why would a cop from the 106 make public details of a case
like this. During the Halloween attacks we received no details because" it was an ongoing investigation and they couldn't
make any details public." Remember the Forum refused to print any news during the Halloween attacks or criticize any
politicians. Another witch hunt from The Forum. SR
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Charlie Rangel gets off the hook again, it is illegal to use rent controlled apartments for an office Another black politician
gets away with a crime. VB
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At least England in politically correct as their lose their country, that is important. Wake up AMERICA, great vid CBC. TG
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July 31
The feast has started at OLG. LM
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China looks like a great place to hold the Olympics. What were they thinking. I think they should have held the Olympics in
ANWAR. NM
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New numbers on the economy shows no recession despite the media talking down the economy. That in itself is amazing
considering the price of gas, if the Dems and Pelosi will let up drill the economy will improve dramatically. JB
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July 30
Some facts about the foreclosure crisis: irresponsible borrowers trashing their homes, leaving their pets behind, and
setting their houses on fire,these reckless homeowners as well who bought more home than they could afford and binged
on home equity loans now expect responsible renters and conscientious borrowers to cover their asses and assets.
These people are not victims its the People who will be forced to fork over their money to prevent foreclosures are the
real victims. People who are protected from the consequences of their actions are beneficiaries. People who have to pay
for the consequences of the bad decisions of others are victims. AGB
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CBC....Fast food now banned in LA. City Council voted to ban all new fast food eateries from opening in LA
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CBC...PC...It is similar to owning a business with 100 customers but 10 of those customers account for 80% of your
revenue. If you loose 5 of them your revenue is down 40%, that is a very poor business model. I think at this time that 10%
is moving their money out of the country so Obama can't get his hands on any more of their money. You just can't continue
to go to the well before it dries up. Bush and Paterson said this week tax revenues are down tremendously this quarter, of
course most of it is due to the economy but some of it may be due to the transfer of money out of this country.
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What the Government has to do is to get back to providing service and protection for it;s citizens and stop wasting our
money on all this pork barrel spending and wasteful spending projects. Smaller government will reduce the deficit. Mass
transit, public schools and the like are services not entitlements which the government can afford even in this economy.
FR
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What Obama should be embarrassed by is the fact that 80% of the population in this country mooch off 10%. RR
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That is exactly what the liberals want, no country, no religion, no possessions. Now thats change. LP
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July 29
The top 10% earners in this country now account for nearly 80% of the tax revenue. The lower 50% of earners account for
2% of the tax revenue. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country PC
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Truth needs no defense. Libel can cost you.JD
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Must be Global warming causing the rip tides in Rockaway. JB
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CBC...Listening to Obama apologize for America in Germany last week reminded me of John Lennon's Imagine. He wants to
take down the walls between nations."Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too," sounds like the Liberal agenda. We were told diversity was
good, I guess not when it comes to being American. He is embarrassed of Americans for not speaking more then one
language but he is not embarrassed of our new immigrants not speaking Englished, I guess its OK for them to speak one
language. You may say I'm a dreamer
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Nancy Pelosi will not even let Congress vote on drilling, recent poll showed 75%of Americans want to drill yet the
Democrats in Congress continue to be obstructionist, and they say Bush is stubborn. Maybe when gas hits $7.00 they will
take a vote. ER
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Pretty good PL. FB
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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made sizable donations to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition. Freddiie Mac has
promised 1 Billion in mortgage loans specifically for minorities. Congress investigates everything these days yet no
investigation for Fannie or Freddie. Nice to know they will put our bail-out money to good use. AGB
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July 28
The real American dream is not found in having a government that helps you pay for your home, your health care and your
retirement. It is found in taking care of those things yourself, as a free and independent person. AGB
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Apple announced today that it has developed a breast implant that can store and play music. The iTit will cost from $499 to
$699, depending on cup and speaker size.
This is considered a major social breakthrough, because women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts
and not listening to them. PL
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Hey EF- Read my posts, I did not say it was the sole cause, it was the main cause and it's not for me to believe it's what
history has taught us. MC
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July 27
So now the people who pay their mortgages on time have to also pay for those that don't. Hey CBC why don't you post have
much pork the Dems attached to the bill and really make everyone sick. ER
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Hey MC- Reread my posts, I cited no book, liberal or otherwise, in regard to the American Revolution. If you want to believe
that taxation was the sole cause of it, suit yourself. Read whatever book by whatever historian you want on it. You might
actually learn something. EF
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Why are you jerks fighting over a war 250 years ago, we are getting taxed to death right now, start the REVOLUTION NOW!!!
PC
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July 26
Well said JB, the closest that phony JD has been to the Marine Corps was watching Gomer Pyle! Sempre Fidelis. ER
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Hey CBC you should know better then to bring up the Revolutionary War with a liberal, they will deny it til their deaths that
people gave their lives over taxation after all without high taxes a liberal has nothing. EF sites liberal revisionist books in
order to cast a doubt on the cause of the war but everyone knows taxation was the main reason. The only way for
government to grab more power over us is through taxation. MC
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You need to put that health coverage video on the home page, we need to educate as many people as possible to the
pending disaster. I urge everyone to send out emails with links to this page, this socialized medicine must be stopped and
everyone who visits the website can help. RM
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Hey EF- Some of the folks posting here have not gotten past the fifth grade version of the causative factors behind the
American Revolution. The most famous slogan of the colonies leading up to the American Revolution was indeed No
Taxation Without Representation. The fact that this slogan endures today shows the power of good public relations. Words
- coined effectively and succinctly - have staying power. The power of slogans notwithstanding, when people conclude
that the War for
Independence was about taxes, they forget or never learned some simple facts: The most burdensome and controversial
tax levied on the colonies was the Stamp Act of 1765, which was repealed in 1766, nine years before military hostilities
broke out and ten years before independence was declared. The last major tax which preceded the war itself was the Tea
Act of1773, which represented a paltry tax on British tea in North America. That tax was so paltry, in fact, that British tea,
taxed as it was, wasstill cheaper than smuggled Dutch tea. When the Second Continental
Congress enumerated the specific grievances in the Declaration of Independence, they listed "imposing Taxes on us
without our Consent" as Number Seventeen. Clearly, if taxes were the main cause of the American Revolution, the war
would have started sooner than it did, and the Founding
Fathers would have thought to list it higher up in the list ot grievances in the Declaration of Independence. SP
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Hey CBC, why didn't you post the fact that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are country clubs for the Dems. The scandal there
was worse then Enron and they were all Dems. CF
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That is why the number of children being home schooled is soaring, parents are fed up with the public schools and their
liberal curriculum, in addition the teachers union is in the back pockets of the Democrats. SR
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1. I did not defend the content of the writing of Moore.
2. I used what AS said in his or her own words. AS said the professor
said Moore was a good writer. AS said Moore was ludicrous and obnoxious.
I offered a reason for a lowered grade based upon what was said by AS
because ludicrous and obnoxious are opinions of the content not the
writing.
3. Read a book on the American Revolution or the full content of the
Declaration of Independence. Taxation without representation was one
reason among many.
4. Read a book about the political philosophy of Jefferson and company.
5. A free public education through high school is an entitlement. The
entitlement is the opportunity to get the education.
6. I was not discussing the quality of local schools. I was commenting
on a concept basic to American life and its historical roots in liberal
philosophy - not your limited version of what liberal thought is.
EF
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That clip above says it all. I urge all to view it. Why don't the media and libs in this country just come clean and stop lying
about socialized medicine. ER
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You are right CBC, our medical insurance will become the public school system under socialized medicine. nearly
everyone in HB will be paying more so all the illegal imigrants can have coverage. To make matters worse our taxes will
also go increase. FR
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I think in 1998 there were more indictments given out then diploma's in NYC. Great public schools. Thanks for nothing! RR
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July 24
CBC....EF wants us to thank the liberals for the wonderful public schools we have in our area including John Adams and
Franklyn K. Lane. I am just stupid breaking my back sending my son to Archbishop Molloy when he could get just as good
an education in John Adams. I know 20 kids who live within 4 blocks of 146 yet they all go to OLG, everyone in HB with the
exception of EF must be dumb. Just because it's free doesn't mean its any good. Forty years ago public education was
fine but as with all government programs wasteful spending, mismanagement and corruption has ruined it. I am glad you
did bring up the education system in this country EF, because that is exactly what our medical coverage will look like in 10
years, free for all, but useless, the citizens of HB will still be paying for the coverage in the same way they pay for Catholic
schools only their taxes will be much higher, it's already happening the England.
So now our Founding Fathers were liberals according to EF (liberals always re-write history) and I thought the
Revolutionary War was over taxation. Where did I ever get the expression "Taxation without Representation." The Boston
Tea Party must be a figment of my imagination. If our Founding Fathers were Liberals they would have given everyone a
farm and had Government workers harvest the crops for them. We just have a fundamental disagreement, you believe
those who contribute the least to society should get the most and I believe you should pay your dues to reap the fruits of
your labor. I do enjoy dialog EF,
keep up the good work.
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EF my point was that a liberal will lower a students grade if they disagree with them, however you missed the point and it
does not matter what college it was because it is happening all over campuses not just in New York this happened to be a
college in NJ which happens to be a very liberal state. The professor took it personal when I mentioned a few
conservative names and actually got very snotty with me so please do not tell me why I was given a lower grade when you
were not there to witness the entire situation. Thank you CBC you are correct I do not get enough money to help pay for
college however maybe if I said my last name was Gonzalez or Williams and came from another country I'd get a free ride all
through school because after all that is who the liberals believe should get the help not American students.
AS
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Gee CBC, get a life. The entire concept of a free public elementary and high school education for all Americans provided
by government was an outgrowth of liberalism on the part of the earliest radicals in our history. Our Founding Fathers
were the radicals and liberals of their time period. You view the word only from your own mindset and the connotations
you want to ascribe to it. Those liberals set in motion a march
towards progress through the provision of an entitlement, another word you only view from your own mindset and the
connotations you ascribe to it, of education for the masses, not just the priveleged. Liberal
thinkers in NY and other states and cities took the free education entitlement concept a step further through land grant
colleges, state colleges, and municipal colleges like CUNY where people could get college
educations at lesser cost because it is subsidized by tax dollars. Many of the other entitlements you, I, and every
other American consider to be our rights are ours because of all the liberal thinkers throughout our history from then until
now made them so. So my comment saying thank a liberal is somewhat akin to someone
saying if you can read this thank a teacher. Yes. Perhaps AS could have gone to Harvard if his or her parents had more
money derived by paying less taxes. I could have more money in my pocket too if I paid less taxes
for, as an example, a public transportation system I rarely use, but I do not begrudge that it is provided for all to use if they
wish. EF
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You are wrong CBC, college professors should share their knowledge with all students for free for the betterment of
earth's citizens. LP
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Now you are defending American hater Michael Moore, how low will you go EF. JB
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CBC...EF you have it wrong I think you should thank the parents of AS for paying their taxes all these years so those that
never pay tax including illegal immigrates will have a better chance then AS of getting in. If in fact AS does attend a CUNY
school with the money the parents paid in taxes AS could have attended Harvard. Thank you Liberals! I think the liberal
college professors should put their money where their mouth are and give back half their pay so everyone can afford a
college of their choice.
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AS- If, as you said in your post, the position that your professor took was that Michael Moore was a good writer and your
position was that Moore was not a good writer because he is ludicrous and obnoxious, then
your professor would have a basis for lowering your grade. Perhaps it was the way you tried to make your point rather than
the point you were trying to make that was not up to college level standards of academic
arguement. It is perfectly possible for someone to be a good writer while at the same time presenting opinions that
someone else might find to be ludicrous opinions expressed obnoxiously. The fact that what Moore
has written has generated controversy is an indication that others have read his work and reacted to it, whether the
reaction has been pro or con his opinions. That would indicate that Moore has accomplished any
good writer's goal, which is to get others to read and understand a message. You did not say what college it as where this
incident took place. If it was any of the branches of CUNY, thank a liberal today for that
entitlement you have as a New Yorker to have an opportunity for higher education at a more reasonable cost than at
private institutions. EF
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Hey JD while you were in diapers I was in Nam so don't tell me about doing my part. There is no way you were in the
Marines, a Marine would never have made that post. VB
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EF you are in a state of denial, take a look at your post's, all of them are Democratic talking points, you could be Howard
Dean. ER
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July 23
Here is a fact the Dems and the media don't want you to know:
The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature
has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by
the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the
thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust,
but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling.
The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all
show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.
Read the entire paper here: Dr. David Evans AGB
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EF I am a college student and it is true that liberalism in spreading all over schools and indoctrinating young fresh minds, I
personally had an experience with a liberal professor who thought Michael Moore was a great writer and because I
expressed my opinion about how ludicrous and obnoxious he was she then gave me a lower grade on a paper that tied
into that discussion when in fact before that discussion she had claimed my paper was nearly perfect. She knew my strong
conservative views were not going to be weaken by her liberalism, one because I was a little older than the rest of the
class and two because I am a strong human being. The liberals are sneaky and have a subtle way of feeding young minds
their ideas they start by asking what the other persons opinion is and then slowly convincing them that the liberal opinion
is the right opinion. I have witnessed it first hand and unfortunately have heard this sort of thing from other conservative
students from other campuses. Liberals feed on young people because they are most influential and the proof is in the
pudding as the saying goes. Look at how many young people look up to Obama as if he were God, it is a scary thing but it is
true because Obama speaks out as being a great change and can convince young minds to anticipate his so called great
changes. It's a shame how in a history class I learn more about those who attack America in a positive manor no less rather
than America itself and it is sad as CBC said when children know more of Malcolm X than Thomas Jefferson.
AS
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VB- Get off your pompous high horse at the recruiting office and sign yourself or your kids up. Our all volunteer force can
use a few more good men and women. I did Iraq, 3 tours- not going back. It is your turn. Walk the walk or stuff the talk up
your A-- JD USMC ret
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CBC- You are quite mistaken with your statement that you know I could never post any Democratic negatives. Polish your
crystal ball, cuz it is giving you misinformation. I could if I chose to. As I said, I choose
not to. You have your other posters doing that ad nauseum. It might be sad if the Democratic Party spoke for me, but since
I speak for myself the fact that you think it is sad is immaterial. If your children know more about Malcolm X than they do
about Thomas Jefferson then they probably never read the full content of whatever
textbooks they have had throughout the course of their educations.Hopefully you expressed your concern about the
content area instructional failings you discerned with their teachers, school administrators, and
school board and further took action to provide your children with abundant reading material with content on topics you
desired them to learn more about. Brain-washing and social engineering are more of your
over-generalizations. Good parenting trumps both concepts in the context of education. The NY State Social Studies
curriculum is a public document, which applies to NYC although the city may supplement it. You can locate
it with a simple web search using the search terms NY State,Social Studies curriculum. If the schools your children attend
are doing a poor job of implementing it, have at the principal and teachers, not those big bad Democrats. If you want them
to learn more on Jefferson, one good avenue for exploration is his views on
urbanism. Apropos since you, and I assume, your children, live in an urban area. EF
The Democrats behavior has been deplorable since the Iraq war started, they have undermined our troops calling them
terrorist and aided our enemies. Lose the war and get our troops killed just to win an election, it's treason. LP
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How about creating generations of welfare through their entitlement's, all that does is to assure people will be dependant
on government aid and never get out of poverty. ER
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We can start the negatives in the 90's with cutting defense and intelligence funding while Al Qaeda was bombing us all
over the world and at the WTC in 93. PC
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July 22
CBC....EF I knew you could never post any Democratic negatives, you exposed yourself for what you are. You don't think
for yourself, the Democratic party speaks for you and that is sad. You must be living in a cave for last 20 years if you
haven't noticed the changed in curriculum, my kids know more about Malcolm X then Thomas Jefferson. The brainwashing
and social engineering started in the early 80's and has accelerated since, talk to any college student, but it starts in grade
school. The game that you and the Dems play by expanding the meaning of the word racism to include any white making a
derogatory remark about a black doesn't work here, we are all wise to that game. Since ER can't post any Democratic
negatives perhaps some one else would like to do so.
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Here CBC, what I consider Republican negatives: Their immigration policy, too much spending, Harriet Myers, Dubai Port
Issue, their inability to fight the Liberal Democrats trying to destroy our great country. I put my country first not my party EF.
MC
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JD, thank God people like you didn't exist in 1940, we would all be speaking German. This is a volunteer Army and it will
remain that way thanks to our brave men and women. This is world war, at this time the conflict is on two fronts, in he
future it may expand. We will fight them wherever they are. Maybe we should wait for them to come here this way we can
check Crossbay Blvd. for roadside bombs every morning. Vietnam ended in the 70's. VB
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July 21
VB- Got your kids ready to fight this 2 front war? Or is it just somebody else's kids who get to go back tour after tour. The
draft will be back before this mess is over. The armed forces can barely make thier quotas of volunteers now. JD
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NM- Why is what called faith? Are you confusing a comment about a religion teacher expressing a theory as disputatious to
an article of faith within Catholicism? Within the context of the 21st Century, early
Christians were probably viewed by many in the same manner as people today view what we consider to be cults. That
Christianity is not a cult does not alter the historical context of how it was viewed at its inception
by some. Why in the world would I want to post something derogatory about Islam? If I believe it is wrong for someone to
say or write something derogatory about my religion, it would be wrong of me to do the
same. Two wrongs do not make right. By the way, I can and do make the distinction between one of great religions of the
world and some of its followers who have perverted the teachings of their religion to suit a
despicable political cause.
ER- I compared the reprehensible views of Rev. Hagee to the reprehensible views of Rev. Wright. Nothing liberal or
conservative about that. Both men hold views that are anathema to me. Obama did not repudiate
Wright until he became a political liability and McCain did not repudiate Hagee until he was a political liability. I expressed
no opinion as to whether one cleric was a bigger liability than the other. As for you
speaking the truth and not spinning for Democrats, you speak your version of the truth and you spin for Republicans. I
speak mine. Democracyis a wonderful thing! Judging by the reactions, I struck a nerve among
the rabid ranters. SP
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To CBC- You have restated that you will not let anyone play the race card, but that is dissembling to say the least. You
allow the playing of versions of the race card that you agree with because you do not consider
those versions to be racist. The ideas being commented on may not be racist per se, but often the verbiage used to
express them is. It is entirely possible to address the issue of reverse racism without racist
and/or racially charged rhetoric.You say I should take a look at the curriculum in our schools. That
means you want me to look at which part? Schools have a broad curricula covering a myriad of subjects. Which level of
schools do you want me to look at, what particular subjects, and which schools: public, private or
both? What you are apparently trying to express is that you believe there are some things being taught that you disagree
with. Guess what? So do I. Perception is in the eye of the perceiver. It is an over generalization to say that a student who
disagrees with a professor will probably fail a class. To say that students can no longer evaluate information is also an
over generalization, not to mention disrespectful to many hard working students who have learned quite well how to
evaluate what they see, hear, and read. Any student can evaluate information if they have mastered the skills of critical
reading and critical thinking and are able to do basic research.You may like for me to post the Democratic failings and for
MC to post those of Republicanism, but that is not a tit for tat game that I am going to play. I speak for myself, not the
Democratic Party. There is both good and bad within the viewpoints of both parties. Anyone who cannot recognize that is,
in my view, a hide-bound ideogogue. EF
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Some regurgitation of some ideas of another. Please note, I have no idea whether Parrot is a Democrat of a Republican, I
do know that he is an economist and this material is clipped from a non partisan site. He
does raise some points to consider The City Economy: Facing the Nation's Woes by James Parrott, 21 Jul
2008. “If there were any doubts about the severity of the nation's economic ills, the financial panic engulfing mortgage
giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac quickly dispelled them last week. As with the mid-March
failure of Bear Stearns and its takeover by J.P. Morgan Chase, overnight our economic "leaders" pledged billions of
taxpayers' dollars to avert an even greater financial calamity. Once again, the average person is
reminded that in our "free enterprise" financial system, profits getprivatized while losses get socialized.
To view the remainder of EF's post click here
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I love the way these libs like EF love to call whites racists but never have the balls to call a black racist, they even defend
the very racist Rev Wright. What a disgrace they are. PM
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That is a great article you posted above, it says it all. The Dems have to allow us to drill, people cannot survive these high
energy costs Obama as usual is on the wrong side of economic recovery. Increasing taxes will only cause more suffering.
RR
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CBC....We have been quiet lately, just letting the dialog flow without getting involved in the discussions. As we stated from
the beginning we will not let anyone play the race card and that includes EF. Many posts here do address racism EF but
they address reverse racism, they just want a level playing field and no more double standards for blacks and whites. It is
a fact in this country today that blacks can say and do just about anything they want without any repercussions, whites
have a right to speak out and to call them racist for it is ridiculous, you should know better EF. Education in this country
died in the 70's, today its a slow indoctrination of liberal ideology, take a look at the curriculum in our schools. If a student
disagrees with a professor they most likely will fail that class, they can no longer evaluate information as you refer too. I
would like you to post the Democratic failings you refer to and MC can post the Republican failings.
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MC- A lot of what I read here is just the regurgitation of neocon ideology mixed together with plain old racism. EG may be
a kid and just regurgitating as well. If as you say, EG is a kid, my answer would be so what, regurgitate is what kids do.
Eventually, if they get educated, they learn to evaluate information. However, no one can evaluate information they never
listen to. That is why professors often present viewpoints kids may not be familiar with. It is called education. When people
get educated they then have the skills to do their own thinking and do not have to just regurgitate.True Conservatives like
Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley figuratively are rolling over in their graves these days. What this country has seen
in the last decade is not Conservatism, it has been neocon nonsense that has brought our country to the brink of disaster.
Before he died, Buckley took issue with many Bush administration policies, does that make him a liberal or a Marxist? You
have not been listening to my ideology for years. Just like EG, I am one person expressing my opinions. If you desire to
hold me accountable for every failing of the Democratic Party viewpoint on issues, then the obverse would be that you
then are accountable for every failing of the Republican Party viewpoint onissues. EF
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Some one should teach Obama history, this country can fight wars on many fronts. We have the most moble force in the
world and where ever our troops are needed they will be deployed. We have the greatest force in the world Obama so
give us some credit, we can fight in Iraq and Afgahnistan at the same time. VB
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That video of the view is very disturbing, again it shows an example of how the black community will not let go of
something that happened so many years ago. Why did Whoopi feel the need to mention about her mother not being able to
vote, things have long changed since then and if anything white people are losing their freedom, I agree with Elizabeth
why is it ok for black people to use the "N" word if they are the ones always bringing up the race issue. They claim they
want to be equal well then they should not be allowed to use that term in any way either. It is disturbing that Barbara
Walters is sticking up for Obama, Americans have their views all mixed up these days. In response to the Thomas
Jefferson comment, our founders based our constitution on God our money and our court houses say in God we trust our
schools say the pledge of allegiance which states one nation under God and though religion is not allowed to be taught in
public schools. However, I do have a problem when the libs are constantly trying to take it out of the Catholic schools as
well! The libs and dems take our history and twist it into what they want it to mean. It is not fair when Muslims are allowed
to worship their God and Catholics are not. The government caters to every other country race and culture and they let
the American people suffer.
AS
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The Democrats created this sub-prime mortgage mess with their social engineering policies. They mandate banks to make
these risky loans mostly to minorities and then they are outraged when the banks fail. Congress needs an investigation
into their own policies. AGB
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That article on the home page is a real eye opener, just imagine paying over 50% of your earnings to the government, what
has this country become. Obama mus be stopped, this is not a dictatorship where the government can just dictate how
much they will take from its citizens. FR
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SP thats why it is called FAITH, obvisously something you know nothing about. Try posting something derogatory about
Islam then post your address and see what happens. NM
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See thats the problem with the libs, they twist the truth. To attempt to compare John Hagee to Rev. Wright is ludicrous.
John McCain did not belong to Hagee's church for 20 years as Obama did. Hagee endorsed McCain and McCain did know
him but never gave him a position on his campaign as Obama did for Wright. Nice try SP but it won't work here, we speak
the truth here and do not spin for the Democrats, try posting some facts next time. ER
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July 20
Hey EG take a ride to Charles Park today, you will see only a handful of HB residents. DB
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EF, you are siding with a kid who cannot think for himself and can only regurgitate his liberal professors opinions, that is
what EG is all about. We have been listening to your ideology for years and it is now proven not to work. We will not sit
quietly any longer as your Democrats and Liberals ruin our once great country. MC
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Watching Obama meeting Afghanistan officials it's impossible to determine who is the US presidentcial candidate and who
is an Afghan. RR
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John Hagee endorsed McCain. Took McCain awhile to distance himself from Hagee and his anti-Catholic rants. Sounds like
the insults from MC about the comments of EG prove the point made by EF about freedom of
expression. Aside from Hagee there are other supposedly Christian religious leaders out there in the evangelical right
who hold and voice anti-Catholic sentiments. Their views are just as despicable as the views of
Jeremiah Wright are. Two thousand years ago followers of Jesus were not the norm and by the terminology of today were
probably regarded as a dangerous cult. My High School religion teacher made the point that
perhaps the crucifixion had more to do with a perceived threat to the Roman Empire than it did with the religious beliefs of
the first Christians.That is one theory. The teacher was challenging young people to think
and consider ideas. Expressing a theory does not mean that a person
accepts it as totally true. SP
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July 19
Obama goes to war zone for a photo op, what a disgrace. Sets his policy before he speaks to the generals, I guess he
thinks he knows more then the generals. LP
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What are you talking about EG we have been complaining about the conditions at Charles Park for years, you just don't
know what you are talking about. SR
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EG- Some of the more rabid Republicans who post here do not realize there is plenty of room among Democrats for
differences of opinion in our party. They think all Democrats are as locked in to ideology as
Republicans are. They equate all Democrats as being ultra-liberal when in actuality most Democrats are middle of the road
pragmatists and that here in Howard Beach most hold some fairly conservative views on some
issues. Some who post here also seem to be of the opinion that freedom to express opinions includes freedom to insult
those they disagree
with. EF
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Hey EG you are a farce, you were told in HS that HB residents went into Charles Park and set fires, do you always accept as
fact something you are told, you didn't see it so you should not regurgitate it as fact and furthermore I don't believe for
one minute that your Catholic School teacher told you the Catholic religion is an ancient cult, I think thats what you think
for you are nothing more then a lier. Typical Lib! MC
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EG your correct in 1776 it was not the Democrats who decided there should not be religion in schools but since then they
have attack religion especially Catholics every chance they get. It is not the Republicans objecting every time God is
mentioned it is the Democrats and their friends at the ACLU. The Democratic socialist agenda has no room for religion they
want people to worship the government. EC
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July 18
I have not had time to come back to see if my last letter was printed until today, and I am glad to see that it was. Now, I will
take the time to respond to some of the replies that I have received. First of all, I have not created anything. I am one
person, not the entire Democratic party. I am sure that there have been many proposals that the democrats have made
with which I do not agree. For instance, former governor Spitzer's plan to give illegal immigrants special drivers'
licences. Illegal immigrants have no business being in this country, and so they should not be given special licences. I
am equally sure that some of you disagree with certain policies put forth by the Republican party. Second, it was not the
democrats who decided that there should not be religion in public schools. Because public schools are under the control
of the government, religion cannot be taught in public school. That was decided by Thomas Jefferson, who in today's
society would be a Republican! The government has no say in what happens in private schools; they do not answer to the
government, which is why catholic school teachers make very little money compared to their public school counterparts.
(BTW I went to catholic school for 8 years, and I was told by my religion teacher that the Catholic Church is an ancient cult.)
As for Charles Park, when I was in high school, I was told about HB residents that went into the park (which only reopened
in 2000) and set fires, so it does not matter who comes into the park now; the destruction was started by rebellious HB
teens. The government goes into parks to fix them up in the order in which they receive complaints. There are many
public parks in extremely disreputable conditions that have been waiting to be fixed since before Charles Park was fixed
in 2000, meaning that it needs to wait its turn. Be patient, and teach your children not to be so destructive, and eventually
the park will be fixed again.
E.G.
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This is from The Middle East Intelligence Bulletin prior to 9/11 http://www.meib.org/articles/0104_irb.htm#irb3 No link
between Iraq and Bin Laden? Read this:
Al-Watan al-Arabi (Paris) reports that two Iraqis were arrested in Germany, charged with spying for Baghdad. The arrests
came in the wake of reports that Iraq was reorganizing the external branches of its intelligence service and that it had
drawn up a plan to strike at US interests around the world through a network of alliances with extremist fundamentalist
parties.
The most serious report contained information that Iraq and Osama bin Ladin were working together. German authorities
were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German
cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic
groups linked to bin Ladin. They discovered the two Iraqi agents by chance and uncovered what they considered to be
serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin. The matter was considered so important that a special team
of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies. AGB
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The speculators took profits on their oil positions causing prices to tumble, once the price gets low enough they will go
long again. VB
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Pelolsi reiterated NO DRILLING yesterday, let them it cake. Great leadership Nancy, just let the country suffer. CB
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Why isn't Rangle brought up on changes for illegally having an office in a rent control building. LP
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Just blame America: "When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their
babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to
legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn't working, and we need to change it." —Barack Obama AGB
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July 17
Bush lifts ban on off shore drilling and crude drops more then $10.00, Coincidence? VB
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All three news network anchors and 200 reporters traveling with Obama to the Iraq. When McCain went to Iraq there were
no anchors and less then 20 reporters. Fair and Balanced? I think not. SR
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If we take that Democratic argument, why drill it will take ten years to reap the benefits, then I say why reduce my carbon
footprint it will take 30 years to reap the benefits. JF
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July 16
Addabbo only comes out of his hole once a year when it benefits his own political agenda. A Ground Hog shows his face
more than him. Don't trust or count on him. He hides when we need him the most. He goes around trying to gather votes in
all these other neighborhoods, when the people in his own won't even vote for him. There's more flip-flopping on
Addabbo's Tour Bus than Van Halen's Tour Bus changes lead singers. Lets vote for the incumbent, at least he's consistent,
experienced, and dependable. PM
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The Obama and the Democrats say it will take 7 to 10 years to get the oil out even if we started now, I doubt that, their
argument favors alternative energy that we don't even have the technology to develop at this point and may take 50 years
to come online. If Clinton didn't veto the bill in 1995 we would not be in this situation. I guess the Dems just want us to
suffer for the next 50 years so we can become a third world country. FR
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You can conserve all you want DF but China and India will only continue to burn more fossil fuels. Each day in China 25,000
cars are added. There is nothing wrong with conservation and we all should do it to a point but it will do no good. NM
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July 15
Conserving energy is the only way out. We have to learn to change our life style before we destroy the planet. DF
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We have more oil then the Middle East and we cannot drill for it, the environmental wackos, the Democrats and the
lobbyist will not let us, how could so few people have so much power over the masses. I think they are hoping gas goes up
to $12.00. FR
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Just because it is old doesn't mean it isn't true. It's all true look at everything going on our great country is being ruined
and it is the Dems that are doing it. They are the ones raising prices and taxing everything. They help those against
America and let the American people suffer. I fear the outcome in November.
AS
July 13
CBC...Just to illustrate the damage that Biofuels have done, we have a client who sells West Indian food products online,
they called today to increase the price of the items we have online for them. A 50 LB bag of rice went from $22.50 to $54.00
and a bag of mints from $1.25 to $2.50. Its getting scary!
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Thats very interesting AS, the Democrats want us in the dependence to bondage stage. All the programs they want to
implement just shows where they are coming from. They will use global warming and energy to increase dependency on
the government. Vote all of them out, the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils so I will take my chances with them
and pray. EC
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CBC...Bush lifts ban on offshore drilling, now its up to Congress.
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Who cares how old it is, it's still true and this country better wake up soon. NM
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AS- That is an old myth piece that was debunked years ago when it showed up on email pass a-longs. It has been quoted
and misquoted as far back as the 1950s. Google it. EF
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From Snopes:
The Fall of the Athenian Republic
Claim: Law professor demonstrates that the results of the 2000
presidential election correspond to an 18th century historian's prediction of
conditions accompanying the downfall of democracy.
Status: Multiple — see below.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]
According to Snopes the piece posted by AS has been circulating on the
Internet since shortly after the November 2000 presidential election.
This is what Snopes has to say about it.
"We haven't examined it ourselves yet, but Mike Powell of Kennewick,
Washington, was kind enough to send us his analysis, which we're happy to
include here.
1. The population of the counties and square miles of area won by each
Bush and Gore appear to be accurate. They are consistent with the
election-result map published by USA Today on 20 November 2000.
2. The number of states won by each candidate is wrong, but the numbers
given (29 and 19) imply this piece was written before the results of
the Florida and New Mexico vote-counts were determined. The final
tallies were 30 states for Bush and 20 for Gore.
3. The quote from "Alexander Tyler" is very likely fictitious. His name
was actually "Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser Tytler," and he was
a Scottish historian/professor who wrote several books in the late
1700s and early 1800s.
However, there is no record of The Fall of the Athenian Republic or The
Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic in the Library of Congress,
which has several other titles by Tytler. This quote has also been
cited as being from Tytler's Universal History or from his Elements of
General History, Ancient and Modern, books that do exist. These books seem
the most likely source of the quote, as they contain extensive
discussions of the political systems in historic civilizations, including
Athens. Universal History was published after, and based upon, Elements of
General History, which was a collection of Professor Tytler's lecture
notes.
Tytler's book, Universal history, from the creation of the world to the
beginning of the eighteenth century, is available for viewing and
searching on-line. The complete text was searched for each of the following
phrases:
Athenian Republic
democracy
generous gifts
public treasury
loose fiscal
fiscal
bondage
200 years
two hundred years
spiritual faith
In no case was text identified that was remotely similar in words or
intent to the alleged Tytler quote.
4. Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University is not the source of
any of the statistics or the text attributed to him. Professor Olson was
contacted (by me) via e-mail, and he confirmed that he had no
authorship or involvement in this matter. And, as Fayette Citizen editor Dave
Hamrick wrote back in January 2001:
I really enjoyed one recent message that was circulated extremely
widely, at least among conservatives. It gave several interesting "facts"
supposedly compiled by statisticians and political scientists about the
counties across the nation that voted for George Bush and the ones that
voted for Al Gore in the recent election.
Supposedly, the people in the counties for Bush had more education,
more income, ad infinitum, than the counties for Gore.
I didn't have time to check them all out, but I was curious about one
item in particular... the contention that the murder rate in the Gore
counties was about a billion times higher than in the Bush counties.
This was attributed to a Professor Joseph Olson at the Hamline
University School of Law. I never heard of such a university, but went online
and found it. And Prof. Olson does exist.
"Now I'm getting somewhere," I thought.
But in response to my e-mail, Olson said the "research" was attributed
to him erroneously. He said it came from a Sheriff Jay Printz in
Montana. I e-mailed Sheriff Printz, and guess what? He didn't do the research
either, and didn't remember who had e-mailed it to him.
In other words, he got the same legend e-mailed to him and passed it on
to Olson without checking it out, and when Olson passed it on, someone
thought it sounded better if a law professor had done the research,
and so it grew.
Who knows where it originally came from, but it's just not true.
5. The county-by-county murder-rate comparison presented in this piece
is wrong.
According to the U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ), in the year 2000 the
national murder rate was about 5.5 per 100,000 residents. Homicide
data by county for 1999 and 2000 can be downloaded from the National
Archive of Criminal Justice Data (NAJCD), and the counties won by Gore and
Bush can be identified using the county-by-county election results made
available by CNN. (The NACJD provides not only the number of reported
murders for each county, but also the population for each.) The average
murder rate in the counties won by Gore vs. the rate in the counties
won by Bush can be determined from this data.
By calculating the murder rate for each county and then taking the
averages, we find a murder rate (defined as number of murders per 100,000
residents) of about 5.2 for the "average" Gore county and 3.3 for the
average Bush county. But since people, rather than counties, commit
murders, a more appropriate approach is to calculate the total number of
murders in the counties won by each candidate and divide that figure by
the total number of residents in those counties. This more appropriate
method yields the following average murder rates in counties won by each
candidate:
Gore: 6.5
Bush: 4.1
There is a distinct difference between these two numbers, but it is
nowhere near as large as the quoted e-mail message states (i.e., 13.2 for
Gore vs. 2.1 for Bush). Note that the average of these two figures is
5.3, which, as expected, is very close to the reported national murder
rate of 5.5.â€
Last updated by Snopes: 3 April 2008
The URL for this information is:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
SP
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I got this in an email and thought I'd share it, very interesting.
AS
Been around before, but good reminder - scary but oh so true
Think hard about your November vote.
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
>>
>> This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad
>> thing about it, you can see it coming.
>> I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to
>> see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
>> How Long Do We Have?
>> About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
>> constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
>> the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
>> Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
>> 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
>> permanent form of government.'
>> 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
>> discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
>> treasury.'
>> '>From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
>> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
>> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which
>> is always followed by a dictatorship.'
>> 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of history, has been about 200 years'
>> 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
>> following sequence:
>> 1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
>> 2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
>> 3. from courage to liberty;
>> 4. from liberty to abundance;
>> 5. from abundance to complacency;
>> 6.. from complacency to apathy;
>> 7. from apathy to dependence;
>> 8. from dependence back into bondage'
>> Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
>> Minnesota , points out some inter e sting facts concerning the 2000
>> Presidential election:
>> Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
>> Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
>> Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143
>> million
>> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2
>> Republicans: 2.1
>> Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
>> won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great
>> country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
>> government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
>> welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
>> 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
>> democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
>> having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.
>> If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
>> invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
>> USA in fewer than five years.
>> If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If
>> you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much
>> is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
>>WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
>>ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
AS
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I wonder if Addabbo's bus tour got caught up in the same man-made traffic jam on Crossbay this weekend? Just do nothing
about it Joe. WB
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Is anyone from the area playing in the Sean Bell baseball league? RR
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Ok wow this pissed me off greatly we should all have to learn Spanish? Are you kidding me? This guy is an idiot! He tries to
justify learning Spanish by using the example Europeans speak English well, everyone wants to come to America so yea
they should know English and if we all have to learn Spanish we should learn other languages too, why just Spanish?
When American born people can't even get a job because we have to speak other languages that is just ridiculous! LEARN
ENGLISH THIS IS AMERICA like the saying goes "When in Rome do as the Romans."
AS
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July 13
I also got caught up in the man made traffic jam on Crossbay, let's just waste gas and money every weekend while no one
addresses the problem. NM
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Weiner and Meeks should visit Charles Park on the weekend and see all the minorities enjoying themselves, then they
would find the funds to repair the park, they only think the residents of HB use the park. SR
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Schumer sticks his nose where it don't belong and causes a run on the bank. Good job Chuck! JB
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July 12
CBC....Bobby Murcer dies.....God Bless You Bobby
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It's no wonder Congress is at an all time low, in the two years since they took control look what has happened to our
country. EC
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Just got caught in a man made traffic jam on Crossbay, when are our local politicians going to get off their asses and DO
SOMETHING!!! WB
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Now the phony Democratic Congressmen Charles Rangel gets caught in rent control apartments, what a hypocrite! ER
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July 11
Thats all we wanted AS, you are 100% correct. LP
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July 10
CBC....Congressional approval rating now at all time low at 9% I wonder why.
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Wow everyone gets their hate crime charge except people in Howard Beach that in itself is racist against our community.
We need to rally, seriously we are getting walked all over. The situation with the parks, the Halloween incident, the
fireworks all this is one sided to show Howard Beach that they will not stand for anything we may do that they see as
wrong, but they are allowing anyone and everyone to harm us and they don't want to give us the same protection they
would another community. We are both prisoners and victims in our own neighborhood.
AS
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Obama and his crew of liberals hate this country and want to change it, this is the change he talks about, that is why he
blames America for everything. This is socialist change that we do not want and must oppose or else we will become
strangers in our own country. SR
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This country better wake up soon, this Obama must not become President, our country is fighting for our very survival and
his politics will end this great country as we know it, every speech he makes he blames America for everything that is
wrong, well he is wrong on just about everything!!! PG
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CBC........From Obama yesterday:: instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they'll learn English, you
need to make sure your child can speak Spanish." He just doesn't understand that having a common language unifies our
country, we must be able to communicate with our neighbors and co-workers, ENGLISH ONLY. Immigrates have to
assimilate and that starts with learning English.
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That's what should have happen in HB, they should have been immediately charged with a hate crime as they did with this
case. Double standard at work, thats why the community was outraged. JB
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July 9
There was no night game at Centerville either on the 4th CBC. JF
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CBC.....The article above was posted because all of the assailants were immediately charged with a hate crime based on
eyewitness accounts, there were no line-ups or lengthy investigations. That is what we needed in the Halloween attacks,
at this time we do not know if the assailants were white or black. I guess the DA finds transgender women more believable
then our kids.
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July 8
CBC..........106 PCT Community Council meeting tomorrow night @ 8 PM
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Here is why we don't want terrorist in our courts, Italy released one of the Achille Lauro murders this week, he is now free
to kill again, Leon Klinghoffer must be turning over in his grave. AGB
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That's why we have to close the borders and keep them out of our country, this is not 1920. People are coming here to do
us harm and we are welcoming them with open arms. It must stop now!!! EC
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July 7
That article posted above on terrorism is scary, I suggest everyone read it. NM
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I am a life long Democrat and I will never vote Democratic again. In 2006 the Democrats took over Congress vowing to end
the war and lower gas prices. They talk and do nothing, with the economy going down the tubes they still will not let us
drill. This country cannot continue at this rate, when we want them to get involved they do nothing, what a disgrace they
are. The Republicans are not much better. BR
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CBC.....Starting this week in California a Global Warming rating system for new cars, I could see a tax coming for lower
ranked cars. Get ready
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You are right AGB, now they are aiming at the average American, they care more about the Caribou then working people
struggling. EC
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It seems a new 4th of July tradition is emerging, after the Bar-B-Q a shooting. Shootings in Bed Sty and East New York on
the 4th. When will it stop. RD
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Never have I seen a quieter 4th of July weekend, traffic was light and not many B-Q's, I guess people don't have the
money. FR
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July 6
CBC,,,,,Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential
World Bank report. Nice work, Al Gore. And a shout-out to the Nobel Prize committee, for giving the peace prize to a man
who has helped starve the world's poorest people
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The cops don't have Gotti anymore so they raid HB every 4th. Driving through Brooklyn on the 4th fireworks were
everywhere, I guess it's OK for minorities to celebrate our Independence with fireworks but not those of us born here. RB
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The salmonella outbreak looks as though it came from salsa not tomatoes. We said weeks ago to check in Mexico. SR
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July 5
President Bush was heckled as he was welcoming new US citizens on the 4th, It's a shame that a few self-centered goons
thought it was their job to interject themselves into what should have been a pleasant and memorable occasion for the
new US citizens. But that is so typical of the left. They call the right mean spirited but it seems that they are the ones who
refer to the President as a Nazi or murderer. It is they who make it their job to disrupt official ceremonies and events. They
are the ones who seem to foster the hatred. AGB
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Next year we all have to go to Ozone Park, no one bothers them, fireworks were going off til 1 AM. SB
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Never seen so many cops cars in old Howard, now lets keep them there to protect us. ER
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CBC...Quietest 4th ever in HB. Couldn't even play a night game at Charles Park. Most won't know what that means but a few
will appreciate it.
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Cops all over HB giving tickets and taking fireworks. JA
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Happy 4th to all and remember the troops!! JB
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July 4
CBC.....Happy 4th of July to all!
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July 3
CBC....... Driving around the neighborhood I have noticed the lack of 4th of July decorations. After 9/11 it seemed as every
house had patriotic decorations on display. I guess the mind set of our country is no longer to be patriotic. Every day for
the last 8 months we are being told how bad our country is has taken it's toll on the psyche of our nation. What a shame
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Now we know why we haven't heard from Sharpton in the last couple of weeks, the city is giving them all hush money.
More extortion money for Al. NM
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Bell's fiancee doesn't deserve a dime, even if the city was at fault (which they were not) his parents should get the
settlement not her. JR
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We continue to hear shootings of young teen-agers at all hours of the night yet the parents are never held accountable, 13
year-olds should not be rooming the streets at 3 AM. Arrest the parents for neglecting their children. DM
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A-Rod would be better off with Christie Brinkley then Madonna. BF
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What an outrage, the City wants to settle with Bell's fiancee. It was proven the cops acted appropriately yet the city wants
to give out our tax money. What a disgrace! SR
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How come the cops bust everyone in HB for fireworks but on Chinese New Year they allow fireworks? Seems like another
double standard. RR
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July 1
I don't know what you people are complaining about, look around Howard Beach, the houses are beautiful and even now
there is many renovations going on. The middle class can't be doing that badly. DC
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Same hold true today....."It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest
way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to
achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus." —John F. Kennedy AGB
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Now our silly Bio-fuels are causing milk to go up, it never stops. RR
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June 30
This is why I like this site, you get information pertinent to our area, keep it up CBC, CF
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All representatives of Congress should be forced to disclose their pork projects. No surprise both are Republicans.
Fossella asked for 10 million for the re[air of two parks. How about us Weiner and Meeks, show us your pork! JB
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City council should be abolished, how they spend our money is criminal. Give the tax break to the middle class. JB
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The above article is just another example of redistribution of wealth which goes on in this country, why would anyone
allocate funding for something like this. Mind boggling. LP
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Hey MC, The facts you cite support my point. Since 1960 would be 48 years. During that time the lifestyle and quality of life
have steadily improved. However, that trend has been reversing. I did not forget welfare. I did not include it as I was
making the point that things like Social Security were also entitlements. Given the rate of savings these days, it is doubtful
that all people would put what is taken out of their checks for Social Security in the bank and leave it there or invest it
wisely. You and I might, but many would not. As an entitlement,
Social Security is going to have to change in the future. The next few years with all the baby boomers at or approaching
retirement will test the solvency of that system. There will be differences of opinion as to how
to solve the problems. Calling names just clouds issues. Democrat does not equal Socialist anymore than Republican
equals Fascist. I believe when I indicated support for increasing the tax burden on the top 1 percent of taxpayers, I was
indicating support for reducing the tax burden on the middle class. We agree on the
issue, but apparently disagree on the solution. That is why we have elections in this country. People will determine which
of the candidate offers solutions they agree with most or disagree with least. To RR and
ER, I am not an ideologue. Socialism as set forth in the Communist Manifesto is a provenly failed ideology based on false
premises. Capitalismis far more to my liking. EF
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If Barron is protesting foreclosures that shows everyone that blacks are mainly effected, he would never get involved with
anything effecting white people. DC
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That article above infuriates me, we don't have to spend money to have minorities in the Fire Department, let them take
the test. Our own councilmen should have to justify as to why they voted for this. Lets asked Joe Addabbo to get $300,000
to get more Italians on the force, then we can spend the money to fix up our parks. This is why you don't want government
to run anything other than the bare necessities. SR
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June 29
Hey EF chew on some real facts: Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143 percent, life expectancy has
increased by seven years, infant mortality has declined 74 percent, deaths from heart disease have been halved,
childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, air and water
pollution have been drastically reduced, the number of women earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled, the
rate of homeownership has increased 10.2 percent, the size of the average American home has doubled, the percentage
of homes with air conditioning has risen from 12 to 77, the portion of Americans who own shares of stock has quintupled.
And that is only a few, now tell us how bad our country is. Missing from your entitlement list is welfare, did you forget that
one. SS is a ponsey scheme and you know, if we just put the money taken out of our checks each week for SS in the bank
we would all be millionaires. No one in this country is against helping someone get back on their feet, but it is TEMPORARY
not generation after generation on public assistance, years ago people were embarrassed to be on public assistance, now
they brag about it. Every one of your post has echoed the Democratic talking points of socialism, not once have you
mentioned the real reason why some people are in debt, we are OVER TAXED. The reason why we are over taxed is
because productive members of sociality are being asked to support the non-productive members to a much larger extent
then 35 years ago. If you are really sincere about the middle class then lets start reducing the tax burden on them. MC
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MC- Learn to read more carefully. What I wrote was that over the course of the last 50 years we have had a growing middle
class. That is a different statement than 50 years ago we had one. I have not mentioned
entitlements at all. I wrote about accumulating wealth instead of debt. I wrote about the foreclosure problem. I wrote
nothing regarding bailouts. I wrote about the tax structure and the ramifications it has on
the middle class. I did not write anything about the issues of the poor. Therefore, you have no basis in fact for any
assumptions you have in regard to my views on entitlements, bailouts, or the poor. Apparently
you get your jollies by jumping to erroneous conclusions and making blanket statements. Yes, our standard of living has
improved, but toda many middle class people are paying to maintain it by accumulating debt.
That you equate that to my cherishing a socialist society is absurd. Money does make money. Unfortuately, more and more
of the middle class have less and less of it to put to work.
Stick to writing what you think and stop trying to tell me what I think or cherish. If you want to comment on entitlements,
then try defining what you are talking about. Social Security and Medicare are 2 prime
examples of government entitlement programs; are you saying they doom people to a life of poverty? Without Medicare
most seniors could not afford to pay for healthcare. Many cannot afford it even with Medicare. By
the way, many seniors are not of the opinion that the Republican tweaking to Medicare with the creation of Part D helped
their situations. Government disability insurance on both the federal and state levels are
entitlements. Every child in this country is entitled to a elementary and high school education, it is an entitlement.
Veterans have entitlements too. Do being paid something if a person is hurt on the job, getting
help with a mortgage if you are a veteran, or getting an education doom people to lives of poverty? Every 1 or 2
family owner occupied property in this city is entitled to a tax rebate,if you get one it is an entitlement. Are you giving yours
back because you are anti-entitlement? EF
This EF is some jerk, the government has to do everything and the there is no personal responsibly. We are all a product
of the decisions we have made in the past, stop blaming our government for your misfortunes EF, this is the land of
opportunity. ER
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Hey EF, your long winded posting are consistently filled with inaccuracies where are you getting your information from the
Communist Manifesto. The middle class struggles because we are over taxed and people like you favor increased
government and taxes to pay for your entitlement's. Just admit you are a socialist and stop trying be portray yourself as
someone else. We have freedom in this country unlike your socialist countries where you would be punished for speaking
out against the government. RR
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CBC......Racist City Council member Charles Barron held a foreclosure rally yesterday in East New York
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June 28
RR- Contrary to your opinion, I am not playing the class warfare game, poor against the rich. I am expressing the opinion
that the economic policies of our country as they have played out over the last decade or so, are contributing to the
decline of what most of us commonly refer to as the middle class. If you had any real understanding of socialism or
Marxism, you would know that the basic flaw in such theories was that
their basic principles dealt with two orders or classes of people, the rich owners and the workers or proletariats. Marx's
cause failed because a third order, or group of people, came to power and prosperity, especially in the U.S. That third
group was the middle class and it is the United States, our great country, where the middle class grew and flourished
most. In the years of the Great Depression there were some unsuccessful attempts to get socialism off the ground here.
They failed because our nation correctly implemented economic policies that allowed that middle class, a group Marx
referred to and basically dismissed as the petit-bourgeois, to grow steadily
in numbers and in prosperity over the following half century. Marx's entire fallacious theory was based on class struggle
and a difference in these classes forcing a revolution to be followed by an equality of all classes. In reality, the opposite
happened here. A prospering middle class trumps Marxism and socialism. What is happening now is that the prosperity of
the middle class is diminishing. I am not in support o fsocialist theories or policies, quite the opposite. You are free to
disagree but you are sadly in error to dismiss those who hold views
different from yours as being in support of socialism.
It is a fact that tens of millions of American families, middle class people with decent educations and respectable
occupations, are living on the edge of a financial cliff. Some of them are right here in our neighborhood. Some will hang
on, and others will plunge over. Families today are spending less on luxuries and more on the basics of being middle
class. Even with two people in the work force, the families of today trail those of a generation ago in the struggle to make
ends meet which is to pay for their homes, health insurance, transportation, and child
care. A generation ago, the one-income family committed about 54 percent of its pay to the basics of housing, health
insurance, transportation, and taxes. That is, the one-income family spent about half itsincome to make the nut, those the
basic expenses that must be paid even if someone gets sick or loses a job. Today, these basic expenses, including child
care so that both parents can work, consume 75 percent of the combined income of an average family. With 75 percent of
income earmarked for fixed expenses, a family has no real margin for error. The modern American family is walking on a
high wire without a net. If all goes well, they will make it across safely: their children will grow up and finish college, and
they will move on to retirement. But if anything, just about anything at all, goes wrong, they are in big, big trouble. You may
call advocating for the protection of the middle class way of life as advocating class warfare if you like,but that does not
make you correct. EF
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How could this guy even be considered for the presidency, he is a racist. I can't believe how far this country has sunk. PL
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June 27
CBC....Congress is spending us into a hole and doing nothing to help the average citizen cope with the high price of oil
and food. They created this mess. We hear about the cost of earmarks and the Iraq war. But what about 'entitlements'?
That's the government's term for programs that transfer money from people who earned it to people who didn't.
Entitlement? How can you be entitled to someone else's money. here's a quote from a former President:
"In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not
through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of
freedom."
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Climate change this week: Al's Big House
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) reported this week, "In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his
home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President's home energy use surged more than 10%." TCPR noted Al's
hypocritical use of energy before, and Gore shortly thereafter "scurried to make his home more energy-efficient."
Ironically, however, "Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more
efficient models, and overhauling the home's windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the
'green' overhaul." What are the numbers? Gore's mansion used 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity in the last year.
That's roughly enough to power 232 average U.S. homes for one month. The 17,768 kWh per month Gore uses now is 1,638
kWh more than before the renovations. The average home uses only 11,040 kWh per year. In the meantime, Big Al has
made some big bucks—TCPR notes that his wealth has grown by some $100 million because of speaking fees and global-
warming investments. Just remember: Do as he says not as he does. AGB
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When are you going to realize EF that government entitlement's only doom people to a life of poverty, depending on the
government for their very existence. It is no coincidence that 50 years ago we had a growing middle class because people
strived to better themselves, that incentive has been taken away by the government. The middle class is shinking
because our standard of living has improved and many middle class citizens move upward and are not replaced by the
lower class moving up. That is why EF's cherished socialist society fails every time, there is no incentive to improve. Like it
or not money makes money and we in HB all strive to give our families a better life, this is something you can't understand
because you look for government to solve all of your problems. MC
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Economic policies that allow more people to accumulate wealth are necessary. What we have now are policies that allow
the wealthy to continue getting wealthier and the rest of us to accumulate debt. That is a
major change for Americans. For more than half a century we had a society with a growing middle class. Today we have a
society with a diminishing middle class. EF
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EF is playing the class warfare game, poor against the rich. EF should remember the "well to do" in this country are not Al
Qaeta and most have work long and hard to get where they are, they contributed to making this country strong creating
jobs and advancing technology making life better for all of us. They decided to do something good for sociality and were
rewarded for their efforts, they could have decided to hang out doing drugs and drinking on government hand outs.
Doctors saving lives, working long hours and attending years of schooling should be rewarded not penalized for their
dedication wants to tax them more and redistribute it to the people hanging out not being a productive member of society,
EF why don't you just pay more taxes yourself if that is what you believe. Your socialist policies don't work, you don't
penalize the hard working people in this country, no matter how much they make. RR
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Is this jerk kidding, since when it is our responsibility to feed the world, we are the most generous nation on earth and
they want more from us. I guess he plans to increase our taxes to pay for this. NM
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June 26
Obama's Global Tax Bill Coming Soon, The Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433) is coming up for a Senate vote sometime
after the July 4. The bill is sponsored by Obama and will cost taxpayers 845 billion, he wants the UN to administer our
money, now we have to feed the entire world, global redistribution of wealth. This is what we have to look forward to with
Obama The bill states:"To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United
States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and
the achievement of the [U.N.] Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide,
between 1990 and 2015. Don't we have enough of our own problems now. VB
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While I applaud your research on the tax structure and wealth in this country EF, the bottom line is Democrats raise taxes
and Republicans lower taxes. You may want to minimize the Bush tax cuts but a drop from 16.1 to 13.6 across the board is
huge. The more money in our pockets the better off we will all be. The fact is that if you and I make $150,000 a year and I am
in debt and you have considerable wealth the government will take out the same amount from our checks each week.
Thanks for the effort EF. MC
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It should be obvious to all that the Obama answer to terrorism is the same failed, after-the-fact defensive approach as the
Clinton administration's. The Bush administration's approach has been offensive - to get al Qaeda before the next 9/11.
The proof is in the fact that there have been no subsequent 9/11s here. How many cities will be dirty bombed because of
the Obama approach? GH
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The Supreme Court has overturned the D.C. handgun ban. The ruling is 5-4 with Justice Antonin Scalia writing the majority
opinion. The Court finds that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. AGB
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MC- Republicans drink their own brand of koolaid. There was a reason I predicated my comments on taxes with some
comment on the definition of wealth. It is wealth, as defined by assets that exceed debt, which
really separates the truly rich from those of us considered by the government to be in the top 10 percent.
By examining how much we pay in taxes, who pays them and how our tax payments have changed in about the past 20
years we can all learn something. We can do this pretty easily, thanks to one of our tax-supported
government agencies, the Internal Revenue Service. Every year, it examines all the returns that are filed and analyzes
changes in the patterns of tax payments. The latest year for which the data are complete is
2005. The basic data are available in the imaginatively titled work, "Individual Income Tax Rates and Shares, 2005."
Historically, it's basically same-old, same-old. In 2005, people nationwide who paid income taxes collectively paid 13.6
percent of our income. Some paid more. Some paid less. But the average burden wasn't exactly
overwhelming. In fact, for all the drama about the Bush tax cuts, the reality is that nationwide the tax burden is about the
same today as it was before Bill Clinton was elected president.
The average tax rate was 13.86 percent in the seven years before Clinton. In 1992, US taxpayers paid taxes at an average
rate of 13.7 percent, about the same as we are now paying. During the eight years Clinton
was in office, the average tax rate rose from 14.1 percent in 1993 to 16.1 percent in 2000. In the Bush years since then, the
average tax rate has declined from 15.2 percent to 13.6 percent. Do you see high drama
here? Do you see huge change?
What is different is that now fewer people pay income taxes. In 1986,Americans filed 103 million federal income tax returns.
Of those, 84 million had to pay some taxes. That's 81.5 percent of all returns. By the
time Clinton took office, the percentage of filers paying taxes had declined to 75 percent. During the Bush years, the
percentage of filers who paid taxes continued to decline. It fell to 67.4 percent in 2005.
This is not a minor number. In 2005, about 134 million American households filed tax returns. Only 90 million of them paid
any taxes. Though the number of households filing returns rose by 5 million, the number of
households actually paying income taxes fell by 6 million. Basically,11 million lower-income households don't have to pay
income taxes that would have had to pay taxes before the Bush tax cuts. One could say
that those tax cuts benefited the poor.
Of course, the federal income tax isn't the only tax that we pay.Anyone who works pays at least half of the stiff 15.3 percent-
of-wage-income employment tax. Republicans tend to forget this. Today, the rich pay
more; the poor pay less. Bush tax rate cuts not withstanding, those with high incomes continue to pay at much higher tax
rates than those with lower incomes. The top 10 percent also pay much more of the total tax
bill as you said. However, only 953,000 taxpayers, or about 1 percent of the total who paid taxes, paid at the top 35 percent
tax rate in 2005. They paid $315.4 billion in taxes on $1.1 trillion in income. Those
are the people I want to have to pay a greater share. For most of us our income is derived from work. We earn our
incomes. The wealthy, those who have assets not encumbered by debt, earn most of their money by
letting their money do the earning. I want that money taxed far more for those in the top 1 percent.
The most common marginal tax rate is 15 percent. That's the rate paid by 54..4 million taxpayers. This means the typical
taxpayer pays at less than half the tax rate of the top earners. The second most common
marginal tax rate is 10 percent. About 25.5 million taxpayers pay taxes at that rate. This group pays taxes at one-third the
rate paid by the highest-income taxpayers. So, of the two-thirds of all households that pay
anything in income taxes, about three-quarters pay at 15 percent or less. Another 22 million, 3.7 million and 1.5 million,
households pay income taxes at marginal rates of 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent,
respectively.
In the year 2000, this top 25 percent of all taxpaying filers paid a whopping 83.6 percent of all income taxes. By 2005, they
paid 85.6 percent of all taxes. So, in spite of tax rate cuts for the well-off, the share of taxes paid by the well-off has risen.
What does this all mean? Simple. When political talk turns to tax "fairness," none of the candidates, in either party,
mentions where a high income begins. Any of us whose taxable income exceeded $61,000 in 2005
were in the top 25 percent of taxpayers in 2005. Those with incomes over $145,000 are in the top 5 percent. The top-
earning 25 percent of taxpayers earned 67.5 percent of the nation's income, but they paid more
than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI
over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI),
yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount
of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.
I would estimate that since the median family income in 2000 for zip code 11414 was $60750 most of us are in that top 10
percent. I also would venture a guess that many of us are carrying heavy debt and that the
costs of gas, food, and everything else are increasing faster than our incomes. What separates what the government calls
the rich and the really rich is wealth. In my opinion, the really wealthy are getting
richer and I am getting less wealthy. What I am listening for from the candidates is not the usual gas about tax cuts for the
middle class, unless they also define what level of income they class as middle class. I am
listening for which candidate has an overall economic policy which is going to do for me and my children what the policies
between 1935-1970 did for my parents and grandparents that allowed them to acquire some
real wealth, not increasing debt. I haven’t heard that yet from either Obama or McCain. EF
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Don't you see what the Democrats plans is, they create a crisis then offer help from the government. They created the
mortgage crisis by forcing banks to make bad loans in bad neighborhoods and then offer a bail out. They refuse to drill for
oil forcing the price up and then offer assistance. They want people to be totally dependant on the government, it gives
them total power. Very dangerous. ER
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Now they want to offer government assistance to minorities to help with the high price of gas, in other words in you are
white you pay 4.50 a gallon, everyone else pays $3.50, thats fair. SR
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Just by his friends is enough to make me NOT vote for him. His wacky left-wing politics is another. EC
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June 25
This EF is just a Democratic cool aid drinker, makes no sense and has brought into all of the Democratic talking points,
puts the party ahead of the country. You forgot to mention those people you describe as wealthy also pay 75% of the taxes
in this country. The Democrats themselves are using the buzz word "socialist," Maxine Waters,Maurice Hinchey and the
rest. EF may want to rely on the Government, its a free country, but I was always taught to work hard and fend for family,
that is what made America a great country. We don't need hand-outs from the Government, with those hand-outs comes
lost freedom. It is obvious Obama is a Marxist and that is not change, it is a proven failure of Government. We will do our
best in HB to expose Obama and his gang for what they are. I like the Obama's friends section you added CBC. MC
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Too bad your Democrats describe wealth as anyone in HB and lets take it from them and redistribute it, Wake up EF. LP
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Wealth is the stuff that people own without debt. The main items are equity in your home, other real estate, any small
business you own minus debt, liquid assets like savings accounts, CDs and money market funds,
bonds, other securities, stocks, and the cash surrender value of any life insurance you have. Those are the total assets
someone owns. From that, you subtract all debts. The main debt is usually mortgage debt on
your home. Other kinds of debt include consumer loans, auto debt and the like. That difference is referred to as net worth,
or just wealth. It is important to think about wealth as opposed to just thinking about
income. Wealth provides another dimension of well-being. Two people who have the same income may not be as well off if
one person has more wealth. If one person owns his or her home, for example, and the other
person doesn’t, then the homeowner generally is better off in terms of wealth possesion. Wealth, as in strictly financial
savings, provides security to individuals in the event of sickness, job loss or marital separation. Assets provide a kind of
safety blanket that people can rely on in case their income gets interrupted. This stuff most of us know.
When considering wealth in the US and what candidates are talking about maybe we should get away from the buzz words
like “Socialist†and get into some facts. The wealthiest 10% of U.S. households, as defined by net worth in the most
recent Federal Reserve Board study, have an average annual income of $256,000. Those people earn 36% of the income
earned by all American households and they control 70% of the total net worth of all UShouseholds. Their average net
worth is $3.1 million. The average value of their financial assets is $1.3 million. As a group, these 11.2 million households
hold 89% of the value of all publicly traded stock and stock
mutual funds in the U.S. I do not know whether I am going to vote for Obama or not yet, but I sure am going to listen to
what he has to say on economic policy and plans to redistribute the onerous tax burden away from people in that other
90% whose real net worth is less than $3 million. EF
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CBC...Feds leave interest rates unchanged
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HB must come together and stop Obama, not because of the color of his skin but his politics, his socialist plan to
redistribute wealth we ruin our great country. We will be taxed to death in order to pay for his socialist programs.SR
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CBC...Imus is despicable, in his apology for his latest remarks he says "What people should be outraged about is that they
arrest blacks for no reason," He will do and say anything to save his job. I guess when I watch the news each night the
blacks I see are not committing crimes the police are just arresting them for no reason. Maybe the court system is too
lenient on blacks and continue to release them after multiple offenses, sooner or later they must be taken off the streets
no matter what color you are..I wonder how law enforcement feels about that remark.
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You might be right JD, there is a traffic counter on Crossbay near Sutter Ave. Finally some action after sitting in traffic for 8
years. LP
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Again Congress blocks drilling bill, they want higher gas prices so that we will drive less. Bloomberg agreed last week.
Just as foreclosures add supply to the real estate market causing prices to go down, more oil on the market will also
increase supply and cause prices to go down. Drill now before all of our houses are foreclosed! VB
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June 24
There are foreclosure in HB, SP is right and these local politicians do nothing for us. Let's get rid of all of them in
November before it gets worse. SR
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Maybe someone has heard us, the last two nights I went from Liberty Ave to HB in 5 minutes at 6:30, hopefully the lights
have been fixed. JD
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Senate passed the 300 billion foreclosure bill, get ready to dig deeper, VB
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Hey FR, It means exactly what I said. I don't know who you are so I am not posting the location of a house on my block on
this website or any other. That is not a hard concept to grasp. Put away your flawed crystal ball because it is giving you
false info as to what other people think. Your comment as to my perhaps being worried about your race is racist, not to
mention insulting. I am not in the business of making real estate referrals, and if I was inclined to shoot you an email to
fr512@yahoo with the address, your insulting tone makes me not do it. SP
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Remember the subprime? Who created the environment for this economic debacle that is blamed on this administration?
Remember this: The same companies accused of discrimination for failing to offer loans to minorities in the past are today
charged with discrimination for offering too many sub-prime loans to minorities.
The solution, as Ronald Reagan often said, is not government; government is the problem! Your Democratic government
passed laws in the seventies under Jimmy Carter to "help" people who can't afford homes to buy homes. Meaning
everybody who should not buy homes. Obama, will exercise Carter's third term, to help people who can't afford to own
chauffered Bentleys get chauffered Bentleys; and those who can't afford beachfront mansions in East Hampton get
beachfront mansions in East Hampton.
-- AGB
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SP- You are right. There are plenty of sources of information on foreclosures and sub prime loans. CoreLogic data is so
good that the Federal Reserve bases projections on it. Data is available by zip code on the
number of Alt-A First Lien Owner-Occupied Loans and the number of sub prime First Lien Owner-Occupied Loans along
with the number of each type that are in foreclosure, the number of loans 30-59 days overdue, the
number 60-89 days overdue, and the number more than 90 days overdue .Data also is available about ARMs w/ High LTV,
FICO<620. ARMs w/ Low LTV, FICO>=620, as well as info for the number of ARMs resetting in given
time periods. The data also gives the number of REOs and non-owner occupied Alt-A and sub prime loans by zip. Howard
Beach is not as bad off as other parts of Queens but anyone who thinks the problem is not here
has their head buried in the sand like an ostrich. More minorities may be affected but they are not the only people
affected. I can easily understand that local real estate brokers and salespeople want to minimize, afterall, they have a
vested interest their businesses. Their opinions on the issue need to be weighed along with views from other sectors of
the economic analysis community to form an informed opinion. EF
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Hey SP, what does that mean, you don't know me the bank is not going to ask for your approval before they sell the house.
Don't worry I'm white, it sounds as though you are worried about my race. If you are really worried about your real estate
value as you stated then email the address @ fr512hb@yahoo.com Thanks
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The Senate votes on the foreclosure bill, the Democratic Congressional Black Caucus is dictating the terms of the bill with
all sorts of incentives and tax credits for minority neighborhoods. I have a problem bailing out people who don't know the
difference between "Fixed" and "Adjustable" MC
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June 23
CBC....There has been no more reported robberies in HB at this time.
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Now Bloomberg wants to increase tax on gas so people won't drive as much, these politicians are so out of touch. Let him
try and make ends meet. BM
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Obama blames the high gas prices on speculators, he wants to regulate speculators, what a jerk. Increase supply by
drilling and the investors will not be long oil futures, simple. DD
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That article you posted on the home page last week about the foreclosure demonstrators at Padavan's office were all
minorities, they want to be bailed out. Maybe I should demonstrate outside Addabbo's office for losing a bundle on
Internet stocks in 20000. RR
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I agree VP, they are planning another massive government spending bill to bail out these people who risked nothing
buying a house. People have to take responsibility for their own action and not look for government to bail them out. It is
really getting ridiculous. Just another re-distribution of wealth scheme. JB
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FR- Since I have no idea who you are I am not posting the location of my block on a website. Check court records to get
the locations of homes in foreclosure or those that are REO. SP
VP- I agree that RealtyTrac may post homes from other areas as being in a location other than the one a person may be
searching. However, since NY’s foreclosure process is judicial there are court records and other sources that
provide information independent of RealtyTrac.
While I agree with you that foreclosure problems are not as great in Howard Beach as in other areas, the problem is real
and it is here in our neighborhood and the areas surrounding us. Aside from the information on RealtyTrac, there is plenty
of information from other sources both
within and without the real estate and mortgage industry, the banking industry, and government that depict the problem of
sub prime loans, foreclosure issues and their short and long term effects. A lot of loans in 11414 are subprime, not as
many as in other areas, but they are here
too. Foreclosures are far worse in other parts of the country. One reason is that NY has better laws and a longer process
on foreclosure than many other states which afford people some options not available in other places. My home is not for
sale and I own it free and clear, so the current effect on my value is on paper only, however for anyone else on my block
trying to sell, the effect of a
foreclosure on the block is quite real. SP
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June 22
SP can you post the address of that house I would like to get my hands on it. Thanks, FR
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RealtyTrac is not a good source for real estate information, they are known for posting incorrect information, many times
the houses they post are not even in the town posted. SP you are falling for the big lie, foreclosures are not as
widespread as they want people to believe, as I stated it is confined mostly to low-income neighborhoods because of the
bad loans. Thats not to say a person in living in HB can't lose their job and no longer afford their house, that happens
occasionally every year/. Most of the houses purchased in HB over the last 5 years had significant down payments and the
purchasers knew what they were getting into. When some- one buys a house with no money down that is where the
problem starts, they have nothing invested in the property and nothing to loose. I think they want to give the perception
that foreclosures are so widespread so they can purpose a massive bailout package with taxpayers money. As far as the
foreclosure on your block SP don't worry, no one knows it was foreclosed and within a couple of months someone will
knock it down and build a beautiful home on the site increasing the value of your home. Good luck SP and don't panic. VP
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How could Obama and some in Congress say that offshore drilling and ANWR would reduce the price of gas by pennies, we
get a hurricane which does minor damage to a couple of Gulf rigs and the price spikes up 50 cents. What a lie. EC
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These Democrats in Congress still haven't learned, if they would have started drilling 10 years ago we would be paying
allot less for gas now. Start the drilling now so we can look forward to lower prices. RG
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Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think RealtyTrac is. The now bank owned house on my block that's been sitting empty for
months is not doing anything good for my real estate value. Yes the problem is greater in other neighborhoods but there
are too many foreclosures here. SP
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June 21
You are wrong SP, I am in real estate and the foreclosure numbers in HB are nowhere near those numbers, in fact they are
very low comparatively speaking. Foreclosures effect low income neighborhoods more then neighborhoods like HB.
People view foreclosures in HB as more of a buying opportunity. VP
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I'm in favor of offshore drilling, like right behind Russo's and then run a pipeline to the gas stations on Crossbay. PV
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Any word on the robberies? JP
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I like Joe Addabbo but I can't vote for him this time, we need some balance in the state government and we just can't let on
party control the show, especially the Democrats with the liberal Paterson and the liberal Malcolm Smith running the show.
What a nightmare it would be. VS
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That Sharpton article on the home page makes me furious, he extorts money from these companies and gets away with it.
Sickening! DC
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June 20
You have that right CBC, they continue to attack the Catholic religion in this country, Hollywood is afraid to make a movie
about Islam and could never portray Muslims negatively. CF
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Obama doesn't want to drill for oil, might hurt the environment, he would rather us pay $6.00 a gallon. SR
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I am sure the people of Springfield Gardens didn't request baseball fields, maybe basketball courts. Would be great to
have facilities like that for our kids, maybe someday if we elect the right people. JB
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People that should never own houses are getting bailed out with our taxes, used to be you had to have 30% down to own a
house, they put nothing down, risk nothing, force the price of a house up and we have to bail they out. Makes sense. EC
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I don't know how many houses are in Howard Beach but I would guess there are at least 3,500-4,000 in zip 11414. That
would be a 18-21 foreclosures at the 53 per 10,000 rate. Those foreclosures affect the values
of the surrounding homes negatively. SP
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Read the articles you posted on the home page regarding foreclosure, it's amazing that 53 out of every 10,000 homes have
been foreclosed. Listening to the news one would think 1 out of every 5 homes are being foreclosed. Now the state is
going to bail out these people. It never stops. NM
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Hey LB you are nothing more then a racist with your hand out to government for support. All you know how to do is play the
race card, you are pathetic. LP
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If you think it's bad now wait until winter and we have to heat our homes. PG
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June 19
CBC....If gas goes to $15.00 a gallon we would reduce our CO2 emissions by 37.8%......Only kidding!
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The Dems say they tare for the little guy yet they do nothing to help the people who are getting hurt the most by the price
of gas, I guess the environment 50 years from now is more important. TR
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Bush and Cheney manipulating the price of gas. Both oilmen. BB
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Let them drill in Central Park if gas prices come down to 2 bucks! MD
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What are you people in Howard Beach going to do when we have a Black President, Black Governor, and Black Majority
leader in the State Senate when Addabbo wins. Payback is a bitch!!! LB
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You are right MC, no looting, no FEMA trailers, no outrage, no race card, just people coming together to help one another.
GF
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I hope they lock up that kid and throw away the key! He is scum! FV
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EF, you cannot associate the two crimes, all you are doing is minimizing the Ferguson crime by associating it with egg
throwing. All I was saying is to put things in proper persecutive. JB
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CBC.....Sorry for not updating the last two days, we were switching servers.
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June 16
JB- Sounds like you subscribe to the theory that a bad act on one person's part is somehow excusable because someone
else did something worse. Is it ok for me or you to commit any illegal act, major or minor, just because there are others
who do? I haven't disparaged Howard Beach
kids. I have commented on problems we have in Howard Beach that emanate from some, certainly not all, of our kids.
Those problems exist and need to be dealt with within our community. They can't be rationalized away because someone
else, somewhere else committed a heinous crime. EF
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The images we are seeing from the Mid West flooding is reminiscent of New Orleans only I haven't heard of any looting,
wonder why? MC
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Where is EG and EF, no post regarding Eric Ferguson, they only disparage HB kids. They get all worked up over eggs and
remain silent now.JB
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You make a good point Jil, when we see our local leaders lets ask them who they are endorsing. ER
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Thanks for posting that information AGB we need the truth to come out. DC
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Not only should that teacher go forth with a criminal suit but a civil suit as well. Eric Ferguson that name sounds familiar, is
he one of the thugs that was involved in the Howard Beach attack?
AS
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Wow, you really had to dig to get these songs, good choice. Happy Father's Day. RR
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June 15 Father's Day
ALL THESE LEADERS TALK A GOOD BS GAME. WHEN VOTING THEY WALK WITH THEIR PARTY
DON'T EXPECT THESE DEM'S TO KEEP TAXES FROM GOING UP,THEY NEED THE MONEY FOR
ALL BS PROGRAMS THEY PROMISE. AND BY THE WAY ASK THESE DEM'S WILL THEY BACK
OBAMA TO WH THIS I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR. Jil
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From The Washington Post- George Will--RISING in the Senate on May 13, Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat,
explained: "I rise to discuss rising energy prices." The president was heading to Saudi Arabia to seek an increase in its oil
production, and Schumer's gorge was rising.
Saudi Arabia, he said, "holds the key to reducing gasoline prices at home in the short term." Therefore arms sales to that
kingdom should be blocked unless it "increases its oil production by one million barrels per day," which would cause the
price of gasoline to fall "50 cents a gallon almost immediately."
Can a senator, with so many things on his mind, know so precisely how the price of gasoline would respond to that
increase in the oil supply?
Schumer does know that if you increase the supply of something, the price of it probably will fall. That's why he and 96
other senators recently voted to increase the supply of oil on the market by stopping the flow of oil into the Strategic
Petroleum Reserve, which protects against major physical interruptions.
Seventy-one of the 97 senators who voted to stop filling the SPR also oppose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
One million barrels is what might today be flowing from ANWR if in 1995 President Bill Clinton hadn't vetoed legislation to
permit drilling there. One million barrels produce 27 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel. Seventy-two of today's
senators - including Schumer, of course, and 38 other Democrats, including Barack Obama, and 33 Republicans, including
John McCain - have voted to keep ANWR's estimated 10.4 billion barrels of oil off the market.
So Schumer, according to Schumer, is complicit in taking $10 away from every American who buys 20 gallons of gasoline.
"Democracy," said H.L. Mencken, "is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good
and hard." The common people of New York want Schumer to be their senator, so they should pipe down about gasoline
prices, which are a predictable consequence of their political choice.
Also disqualified from complaining are all voters who sent to Washington senators and representatives who've voted to
keep ANWR's oil in the ground, and who voted to put 85 percent of America's offshore territory off-limits to drilling. The US
Minerals Management Service says that restricted area contains perhaps 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet
of natural gas - 10 times the oil and 20 times the natural gas Americans use in a year.
Drilling is under way 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling
closer to South Florida than US companies are.
ANWR is larger than the combined areas of five states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware)
and drilling along its coastal plane would be confined to a space one-sixth the size of Washington's Dulles Airport.
Offshore? Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed or damaged hundreds of drilling rigs without causing a large spill. There
hasn't been a significant spill from an offshore US well since 1969. Of the more than 7 billion barrels of oil pumped offshore
in the last 25 years, 0.001 percent - that is one-thousandth of 1 percent - has been spilled. Louisiana has more than 3,200
rigs offshore - and a thriving commercial fishing industry.
In his "Gusher of Lies: The Dangerous Delusions of 'Energy Independence,'" Robert Bryce says Brazil's energy success
has little to do with its much-discussed ethanol production and much to do with its increased oil production, the vast
majority of which comes from off Brazil's shore. Investor's Business Daily reports that Brazil, "which recently made a major
oil discovery almost in sight of Rio's beaches," has leased most of the world's deep-sea drilling rigs.
In September 2006, two US companies announced that their "Jack No. 2" well, in the Gulf 270 miles southwestofNew
Orleans, had tapped a field with perhaps 15 billion barrels of oil, which would increase America's proven reserves by 50
percent. Just probing four miles below the Gulf's floor costs $100 million. Congress' response to such expenditures is to
propose increasing the oil companies' tax burdens.
America says to foreign producers: We prefer not to pump our oil, so please pump more of yours, thereby lowering its
value, for our benefit. Let it not be said that America has no energy policy. AGB
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CBC....Happy Father's Day To All!
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June 14 Flag Day
Where is the person bad mouthing our kids, take a look at that teacher. i guess they have no comment on this 18 year old,
only the HB kids. BC
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CBC.....In the article above referring to the NYPD stops, the ACLU is just trying to handcuff the cops. Their spokesperson
said ""The data confirms our worst fears," well my "worse fear is becoming a crime victim. I have never been arrested but I
have been stopped by the cops many times and have never been "tossed around" as the article states. Maybe the cops
should "toss around" some of the ACLU members and knock some sense into them. Let the cops do their jobs and protect
us, random stops are part of police work.
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When is somebody going to do something about that light by Crossbay field, just took 20 minutes to from Liberty and
Crossbay to HB. If they were serious about protecting the environment they wouldn't have us wasting gas at every corner.
I am sure Joe Addabbo and Audrey Pheffer get caught in that traffic too. FV
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Yet another Sean bell protest, when will it ever end, so disgusted. JM
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June 13
They caught that creep in the video above, I hope they put him away for a long time. FR
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What do you expect of Weiner, thats why nothing gets done in HB, like we said a couple of weeks ago he has no interest in
his constituents. ER
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Grand Jury drop charges against the guy who climbed the Times building last week, they should lock these guy up for at
least a year to discourage anyone else from doing that. Someday an innocent bystander is going to get killed. Set an
example now. SR
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Has the Supreme Court gone mad, they want prisoners of war to have a trial here in the states, thats akin to giving German
and Japanese prisoners during WWII court trials. MC
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On Chinese New Year the cops are on TV watching the fireworks. The law is the law and should be enforced everywhere!
BC
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Why are fireworks permitted on Chinese New Year? NM
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June 12
CBC.....Attended the Community Council meeting at the 106 last night, Captain Courtesis said the robberies occurred
between 90 street and 85 street and between 160th and 165 Avenues. The times of the attacks were 11PM AND 2 AM. He
has added extra patrols and reminded everyone to always be aware of your surroundings and if you see a suspicious
person call.
The Captain also stated that extra officers will assigned to the 106 on The 4th of July and fireworks will be confiscated.
They will be setting up a drop off unit by Starbucks for confiscated fireworks. Expect to see a large Police presence in the
area on the 4TH, so before spending your hard earned money on fireworks keep in mind your entire display could be
confiscated by the cops.
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Heard allot of sirens last night, was there a fire in the neighborhood. DG
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June 11
Aspen is re-opening its ski slopes after snowfall, must be a right wing conspiracy .GD
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LP- Two robberies occurred on new side. EF
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Does anyone know if the attacks happened in new Howard or the old side? LP
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I don't always agree with the politics of some of the posts but you guy's are definitely an asset to our community, from the
Halloween incident, the home robberies, Sovereign Bank and the rest, good job and thank you. This is a great venue for
local information and I see you playing even a bigger role in the future. AB
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I heard he wears a bandanna. TR
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June 10
CBC.....Please read the important alert on the top of this page and pass the information on. The purpose of this page is to
disseminate neighborhood information in a timely manner, so please help us do so. We want to keep residents of our
community updated on important information and nothing can spread the word like the internet.
I am surprised no one email us sooner regarding these robberies, perhaps we are all getting wrapped up in the politics
too much.
Tomorrow night is the monthly meeting at the 106, concerned citizens should attend. Starts at 8PM.
The crime stats for the week ending June 8 have also been updated so take a look.
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Republicans blocked plan to tax windfall profits for oil companies, can someone tell me how that would have lowered the
price of gas. ER
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Good idea CBC....I am going to take my boat out tomorrow, for $59.99 I will keep it docked and you can have my carbon off-
sets. DR
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CBC.....SAVE THE PLANET......keep your air conditioners at 87.5. CBC is now offering temperature credits, here's how it
works: if you want to lower the temperature on your air conditioner you can buy credits from us and we will raise the
temperature on our air conditioner. It's only 20 bucks per degree so if you want to lower your air conditioner by 5 degrees
it will only cost you $100.00 and we will raise our air conditioner by 5 degrees. Just think about it , you will no longer feel
guilty for being cool and with our temperature off-sets you will be carbon neutral. Its a win for the planet. I am planning to
drive cross-country this summer burning up allot of energy while spewing out CO2 from here to California, for $3,000.00 I
will stay home and you can use my carbon off-sets. You can reduce your carbon footprint the entire summer. Call now
operators are standing by.
As ridiculous as this sounds that is just about what congress wants to do to our industries
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I want Obama include pools for every American, after all everyone deserves a pool and the government should give us
one. LP
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That is an amazing stat, there were so many fewer cars back then and yet our oil production was the same. It is time to
push back against these environmental wackos before we are all ruined. Any politician on their side must be voted out, it's
time the start to think about the average family. JK
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June 9
CBC......In December 1947 the U.S. Crude Oil Field Production was 165,555 (Thousand Barrels) in December 2007 the
number was 157,219, wonder why gas prices are so high. Supply and demand. Come on Congress let us drill our own oil,
the Caribou will understand. Too many people are suffering from high energy cost due to your refusal to permit oil
companies from drilling in the U.S. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mcrfpus1m.html
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I want the government to buy air-conditioners for everyone. Why should anyone feel uncomfortable from the heat. Put that
in your entitlement platform Obama. DC
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Now they want to arm cops with tasers instead of guns, whats next water pistols. GR
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CBC....Global temperatures have cooled by 1 degree since 2006. May was the 5th coolest month in the 30 year history of
satellite records.
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In your article on the home page, why don't Paterson just say that the state is going to push for everyone except white
males. When you hear "minority and women" you know it is discrimination. VR
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JB- I'm not blaming the people of Howard Beach or anyone else. What groups in Howard Beach have submitted funding
proposals to the city for discretionary funding and not been funded? EF
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Hey don't say HB doesn't get anything, we just got new bike lanes. BC
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I like Obama's immigration policy, make the US a third world country and no one will want to come here FR
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June 8
Many boats staying in port this weekend, price of gas. PL
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Below is a list of Obama's accomplishments:
Community Activist
FG
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You people shouldn't be joking about glaciers melting, it is a serious problem. When Howard Beach is submerged you
won't be laughing any longer. Jerks! NG
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EF again you make it sound as if the problem are the HB residents many of whom have been doing just what you have
suggested for years. You must stop defending the local politicians, Stable was bad but Joe Addabbo is much worse. That
is the reason why we can't get any funding. JB
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June 7
I was going to take the kids skiing on that Glacier this weekend now you say it is melting. I guess we will go to the beach
instead. DC
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The problem is that a white city council member could never vote against pork spending for a minority community for fear
of being labeled a racist. If you oppose anything black you are a racist, now if a white favors McCain he is a racist or
ignorant. VS
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Thank God the Republicans blocked that gargantuan global warming tax bill, we have to worry about the people of the
United States at this time. Everyone is struggling now with high energy cost we don't need additional taxes. This Congress
has to start to worry about us and not what the rest of the world thinks. ER
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No JB, I'm not kidding. Someone commented about a group receiving funding from the city for a project the group was
sponsoring. Someone else responded tothe effect that the city should give some of that money to Howard Beach. My
comment was basically, so write a proposal and apply for the funding. You said that's what we've been doing for 15 years.
Which Howard Beach organization has submitted a funding proposal and applied for discretionary funding from the city for
15 years and not been approved to get them? EF
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June 6
That video shows how far society has sunk, no compassion for a fellow human being, just terrible. MM
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Are you kidding EF, we have been doing just that for 15 years. JB
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Dow down 400 today as unemployment rate and oil prices jump, we are headed down the tubes. SM
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If you want a specific program funded, put together a proposal and apply for the money, that is how groups that run
programs get it. EF
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Price of crude oil jumps $11.00 today. FR
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CBC.......As crazy as it sounds to you LB we don't condone 20 year friendships with known racist for our President or
associations with terrorist groups like the Weather underground.
We are going to go and climb the New York Times Building to draw attention conditions at Charles Park! LOL
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Why don't our councilmen get some of that money for us, the next councilman we must pressure to get our piece of the pie
and find out if they voted in favor of projects like the one mentioned above. Enough is Enough! DR
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Now you people will have another black to pick on, Obama. Your girl Hillary is gone so it will be open season on Obama. LB
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The Dream ticket of Obama and Hillary, lets all hope it happens! CB
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June 5
How insulting to compare Obama to JFK, the media is making this guy out to be God. SR
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Obama-Hillary ticket will be unbeatable!!! DN
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Why would the city council OK 23 million of our tax dollars because some slaves slept there. What a waste of money. JC
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Joe Addabbo has not given back the dirty Soro's money, you have lost my vote Joe! SR
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Can we have an electoral mulligan, they both suck! WR
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Hillary wants to become VP now making the ticket the weakest in the Democratic party history. A Senator with no
experience and a Senator who has never written of co-sponsored a single bill. ER
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Between the music, movies, TV and video games it is very difficult to raise children these days. It is impossible to keep
them insulated from that garbage, we do the best we can. SD
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June 4
Let's ask Ted Kennedy if he still supports Nationalized Health Care. Under his plan he would have had his operation
sometime in December at Jamaica Hospital. AG
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SP you are in a state of denial, most Democrats today are either Marxist or socialist, they want to redistribute wealth in this
country from the people who have worked hard their entire lives. They want everyone to depend on the government so
they can have power over the population. Regulate every aspect of our lives while taxing us to death in the name of one
cause or another. They sold out to the ACLU and we can't even mention God anymore. I can go on and on but you get the
idea, this is not the party of the 1960's. ER
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You got that right BB, while our kids may not be the greatest they are far better then most neighborhoods and anyone who
doesn't defend them when someone calls them inbreeds is a real wimp. That is an insult to everyone in HB and EG should
apologize and so should the other jerk who is defending him. Show some respect for others. MM
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You people sound as if your living in 1960 complaining about a couple of eggs, kids today make bombs, shoot classmates,
and commit various other crimes. While I don't condone egg throwing or shaving cream on Halloween it is pale in
comparison to other neighborhoods and has been part of Halloween since the late 60's. I don't see graffiti, burning cars or
other acts of disobedience in HB, If I am wrong then post it or stop whining. TR
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June 3
When the Democrats took over Congress they promised the first order of business was to lower the price of gas, good job
Nancy. ER
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If you think things are bad now just wait for them to pass this cap and trade bill, we will all be domed! KB
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Hey EF, when someone insults every parent in HB I take exception and you should too, EG did not express his opinion, he
made derogatory, disrespectful comments about our children, why you would decide to defend such language tells my
allot about who you are. As far as the rule of law everyone of your post's defend the Democratic party who are the biggest
crooks in the country. They just take our money and either keep for themselves or give to their friends. BB
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Cigarettes when up $2.25 per pack today , state tax. Even if you don't smoke you should be concerned. Look what they
have done to smokers in this country, next target is energy. EF's Democrats went after the tobacco industry and now it's
the energy industry. Energy is harmful to us. When they first started the attack on tobacco they said they were just
bringing down health care cost and everyone would benefit, a big lie. Studies show that smokers use less health care
because on average they die younger then non-smokers. Non smokers live longer and require more health care as they
age. Now they have the environmental lie to use so watch your pockets GD
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CBC....Two men shot in Ozone Park last night, we are hearing Charles Park will get a new turf field in August, can anyone
confirm?
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That article regarding the City Council above just shows how inept the City Council really is. They just give money away,
the company receiving the money wasn't even incorporated and is not a non profit organization. You are right CBC that 4,2
Mil would help upgrade our parks. SR
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BB your statement regarding egging EG’s house and the declarative statement you made that you would smash
EG’s face with an egg are not the voicing of opinions, rather they are threats of physical violence toward
another person’s person and property. Children learn what they are taught. If you’re a parent, based on
your comments, my opinion is that your kids are being shown by your example that if you don’t like what
someone says, it is acceptable to threaten violence. In my view, you are part of the problem and your
choice of words exhibit a lack of respect for the rule of law. EF
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On Wednesday, June 4th (9:30am-12:30pm) the Dept of Sanitation will be holding a hearing on its proposed regulations for
implementing the just-passed Litter Law ---"governing the distribution of advertisements on private property." (State
mandated penalty for such littering: $250 up to $1,000.)
The rules for implementation of the Litter Law, as proposed by Dept of Sanitation (5 pages, click below -- and available on
the DOS web site at nyc.gov) -- and to be commented on at or before the Public Hearing on June 4th -- are absolutely
asinine. They impose a severe burden on the property owner and are most likely never to be pursued by most
homeowners!!.
They would require the homeowner to download a complaint affidavit form or to call 311 for one [no problem]. The
homeowner would then have to get the form notarized and mail it together with the literature deposited to DOS in
Brooklyn, and then be available to attend a hearing, presumably in Manhattan, if the adjudicating officer asks him to
appear and testify.
Notarizing, with its costs and inconvenience, should be eliminated; the homeowner's identity can be confirmed by
providing a copy of a recent tax bill or by having DOS refer to the Dept of Finance web site. How many homeowners will
want to get involved if they face an appearance at a hearing in Manhattan, or elsewhere????
The law only authorizes DOS enforcement people to issue tickets when they witness the littering; the NYPD should be
authorized to do so as well.
To facilitate such advertising distribution, perhaps the distributing agency could provide a "mailbox" designated for such
a purpose to willing homeowners, similar to what newspaper home delivery people do.
Please react in the community's favor. Murray H. Berger,
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ER- You may not have specifically said Republicans, but you did imply that if one was a Democrat, one supported the
breakdown of religion and morals. If you want to be an independent or Independent, that’s your right. It’s my right
to do my own thinking, so I don’t need you
to tell me what I think. Not all Democrats are liberal and Democrats are not Socialists. You said you were an Independent
using a capital i That implies you are a member of the Independent Party, the party of Lenora Fulani who is a whole lot more
liberal and has more socialistic views that most Democrats do. As far as the sacrament of marriage being torn down, look
at the stats. A majority of persons who make those until death do us part vows visit a divorce court long before they die.
So much for the sacrament. SP
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June 2
Let's stop kidding ourselves, we don't get City or Federal Funding because HB is a white community. if we were black it
would be a different story. JM
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BB I applaud you. That is so true whenever white kids are spoken about in a negative manor it's ok no one puts up a fight
but God forbid a "minority" is spoken about negatively. Everyone can put down our community because they have gotten
so used to us not fighting back well thanks to CBC we have a place we can speak out and voice our opinions and stand up
for our community. It is true outsiders come in here and try to destroy our neighborhood, Halloween was a perfect example
of what goes on every other night of the year but never gets any publicity well this time we finally did get somewhere and
a lot has to do with this site. The people of Howard Beach are fed up, we want justice...Enough is enough!
AS
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Finally someone talking the truth about Howard Beach, Eg you are right about HB. LB
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It's just amazing that Obama is so close to the presidency, take a look at that video. How can that be called a church
spewing hatred. GR
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You have it wrong EF I didn't want to egg EG;s house I would smash the little punks face with an egg. Call the cops EF. You
are part of the problem why society has digressed over the years,a complete lack of respect. You are correct EG does
have a right to express his opinion but he does not have the right to use hateful, disrespectful speech against our kids.
You like all liberals feel anyone can say whatever they want no matter how hateful it may be (the exception is minorities)
He refers to our children as inbreeds and you don't comment, he states "The majority of the people in this neighborhood
are ignorant snobs, who because of inbreeding have subjected the rest of us to their hatred of anyone who isn't Italian or
Irish." again not a word from you. I bet if EG said that about black kids you would be outraged. I really feel sorry for you EF.
BB
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I'm surprised CBC let that EG post go through. It is terrible to refer to our kids as inbreeds, those all fighting words in HB.
PC
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SP, you exposed yourself for what you are, look at my post I never mentioned Republicans, subconsciously you must think
Republicans have more morals then Democrats. I was a Democrat all my life until 1995 when I woke up, now I am an
Independent. You should give it up SP, you know the Dems sold out to the libs, you will be a much happier person if you
do. It has been proven socialism does not work. Just think about it, you will no longer be forced to defend positions you
don't believe in, now they want to tear down the sacrament of marriage. ER
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The city is too busy checking out restaurants to make sure they post calorie information on their menus and that there is
no trans-fats around instead of inspecting construction sites. Good job Bloomberg! FR
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June 1
EG I too am a college student who also works full time for attorneys and have lived in the Ozone Park Howard Beach area
my entire 24 years..The people of this neighborhood are friendly and care about the neighborhood no one is snobby only
snobs are the trash that come in here thinking they can do as they please and get away with it when they get caught. The
catholic schools you mention do not teach morals and values anymore due to the liberals that want to take religion out of
the schools including the catholic schools on which religion is it's main point. It is the liberals who have taught our
generation to be ashamed of anything moral and good and to be proud of anything that is obscene and vulgar. If you do
not like our neighborhood move you are old enough to move out on your own no one is forcing you to be here. Apparently
your parents saw fit the need to move here and whether you agree or not you are not being forced to stay in an area you
do not like and if you claim you cannot afford to leave your parents' home well you can also thank your lovely dems and libs
for that as well.
AS
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Only the truly brainless subscribe to the theory that the only people who have “family†values and good morals are
Republicans. If, as ER wrote, “kids today are a bi-product of†the Democrat’s “failed social policies over the
past 40 years†then the kids in Howard Beach and their 35-40ish parents are part of that product. Bull. Family values are
taught by families. It sounds as if ER’s family taught the value that someone else’s behavior may be used to excuse
one’s own behavior. Sounds like he or she was using Devil’s Night in Detroit to excuse egg throwing in Howard
Beach every Halloween. Anyone whose head is not buried in the sand knows full well there’s more than “an egg or
two†thrown here every year. Much of the vandalism that occurs in Howard Beach on other nights of the year is done
by our own kids. Those kids who are responsible for it have not learned from their parents the value of respecting the
property of others. Kids will always be kids and will sometimes do stupid things. But kids whose families have taught and
who have actually learned proper values and morals don’t usually veer too far off course. There are some who will try
to offer the excuse that the lack of a youth center or poor park conditions is the reason for that behavior rather than a
failure on the part of a child to learn respect for the property of others. The lack of something one wants is not and never
has been an excuse for bad behavior or criminal conduct by anyone. By ER’s logic, the “bad†kids in Howard
Beach must have parents who are Democrats and the “good†kids must have parents who are Republicans. Doesnâ
€™t that sound ridiculous? It’s just as ridiculous to ascribe
all societal ills to half the country’s people and to discount their views. Half the country votes Democrat. LP says that
it’s mostly people from outside the community who trash Charles Park. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. It is
true that207 park is used mostly by people from our community. Who is responsible for the substantial damage there that
occurs on a regular basis? Gee, it must be the Democrats. Can’t be the Republicans – they got values, don’t you
know. SP
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CB-The funding allocated in 2000 was $1 million. It was spread out over 5 years and was for work at both Charles Park and
Hamilton Beach Park. It wasn't enough and that fact shows in the conditions at both parks. What is needed to get both of
those parks fully renovated would be more like $10 million,
BB- Why don't you post your address so the police can arrest you for threatening to egg EG's house for voicing an opinion
you don't like.
There is no excuse for the attack on a couple of young people last Halloween and it's sad that the prosecution did not get
the perpetrators convicted. However, no one who lives in Howard Beach can deny that on every Halloween there are
some kids who live here who engage in destructive and assaultive behavior, not just Halloween fun. There's no excuse
for that destructive or assaultive behavior either. EF
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EG, you can't be a brainless Democrat, you used the word morals. Religion and morals are not part of the Democratic
platform, "if it feels good do it" is your mantra. You and your party have continually broken down morality in this country by
defending any type of behavior and speech no matter how destructive it may be. You have continually attack the religious
institutions in this country and family values as if it were so ancient cult.The kids today are a bi-product of your failed
social policies over the past 40 years and you have the balls to complain about what you have created. Move to Detroit
and get your house burned down on devil's night then you will be begging for an egg or two. I am so sick of you Democrats
complaining over issues that you create with your failed policies. ER
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They only inbreed in Howard Beach is you EG, You must not visit Charles Park on a weekend because there are very few
residents of HB enjoying the park, it is mostly people from outside the community who trash the park. You are a real jerk!
LP
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Hey EG what college do you go to? FF
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May 31
EG why don't you move to Bed Sty and say those things about black children and see what happens. You will run back to
HB with your diaper on. SR
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EG why don't you post your address so I can egg your house, who do you think you are referring to our children like that.
You are the one spoiled and lazy, stop mooching off your parents and move away! BB
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You are a real asshole EG, why don't you just get out of our neighborhood which you hate so much. Talk about arrogance,
stop living off your parents and get the hell out of here!!! JB
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Wrong EF, congress allocated funding for the park in 2000 and the renovations were made under the Republican lead
Congress. You are correct in stating our pittance goes up under a Democratic Congress but the additional funding goes
directly to their base in minority neighborhoods and never to HB. Tax and spend CB
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Hey CB - Lack of funding for NY by Congress: Jan. 1, 1995-Dec. 31, 2006 Republicans controlled both
the House of Representatives and the Senate. By your logic, if it's the fault of the Democratic Congress
now, then during those years it's their fault. Jan. 1, 2007-present Democrats control the House of
Representatives and the Senate has 49 Dems, 49 Reps and 2 Independents which pretty much makes it a tie. Takes both
houses of Congress to pass something. The lack of funding is, as SP said, the fault of the "prevailing attitude that NY is the
country's cash cow." We send Washington the big bucks, they send back a pittance in relationship. That's pretty much
historical fact, whether Democrats or Republicans are in control. The only real difference in relationship to federal
funding is that when Democrats are in control, the pittance that comes back to NY, and too ther urban areas like NY, is a bit
bigger but never enough.
EF
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I have been living in Howard Beach against my will for the past 8 years. Because I was 13 at the time I had no choice but to
move here, and I have stayed only because I am a college student. The majority of the people in this neighborhood are
ignorant snobs, who because of inbreeding have subjected the rest of us to their hatred of anyone who isn't Italian or
Irish. The problems in Howard Beach are not caused by politicians who are busy screwing other politicians, rather it is
because the people of Howard Beach are too spoiled and lazy to do anything for themselves. They let their spawn run
around at all hours of the day and night. If Charles Park is in such horrid conditions after being fixed up only 9 years ago,
then it is because the denizens of HB have let their aforementioned spawn run around unsupervised. That is not to say
that the preschoolers are wrecking the park, rather it is the teens, who attend such schools as Stella Maris, Christ the
King, St. Francis Prep, etc., schools that are supposed to teach moral values that instead instill nothing but moral
ineptitude. It does not surprise me that Charles Park is in the state that everyone on here claims that it is after 8 years of
enduring the day after Halloween madness, caused by the same devil-children, who roam the streets day and night. They
egg the houses and throw shaving cream everywhere, and when the police visit their parents (most likely homes of many
of you or your children), they don't see any problem with it because "they haven't hurt anyone." Haven't they? John Locke
wrote that everyone is born with the Natural Rights of "Life, liberty, and PROPERTY." If we are born with the right to
property, shouldn't we also have the right to believe that our supposed neighbors won't trash it on a yearly basis? Based
on Howard Beach, you would not think so. Many of you will ignore this as the ramblings of a so-called brainless democrat,
but maybe somewhere something will have rung true for some of you that wonder why this neighborhood is the way that it
is.
Thank You.
E.G.
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Finally Al Sharpton marching for peace in Harlem.
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May 30
The crane collapse is the result of the expansion of city government, the city is involved in areas they have no business
and can no longer ensure public safety. The hiring of less qualified people due to their race is also a contributing factor.
SR
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CBC....Yet another crane collapse in Manhattan.
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If Paterson wants to recognize gay marriage why don't we put it up for a vote and let the people decide, one person should
not have that much power. DC
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Hey Sp lack of federal funding is the result of your Democratic congress, what do you have to say. Youth centers,
basketball courts, running tracks and the like seem to always appear in minority neighborhoods, I wonder why? CB
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May 29
Sharton to protest tomorrow night with those wacky bike riders in Manhattan, should be interesting NM
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Joe Bruno and religious groups to fight Paterson on gay marriage, thank God there are still Republicans in Albany. ER
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MC- Of course it’s not my responsibility to waste time determining underlying issues, However, before voicing an opinion
on how to fix a problem, I have a responsibility to determine what I think the problemis. You probably won’t agree with me,
but my opinion is that the lack of funds necessary to fix Charles Park is part and parcel of the overall lack of federal
funding the taxpayers of NY get for projects here in relationship to the amount of tax dollars we send to Washington. That’
s not a new problem. Yes, Meeks and Weiner have to get additional funding to maintain Charles Park, but before they can
accomplish getting more than small amounts the prevailing attitude in
Washington that NY is the country’s cash cow has to change. It would be real nice if we could just say I pay my taxes, I
want a youth center, and someone will just snap their fingers to make one appear. That’s not going to happen. To get one,
those who want it are going to have to organize, involve the whole community in the effort and work collectively to get it.
That takes work, not just mouth. As far as Charles Park, that's what Ms. McCloskey's group is trying to do. Maybe more of
us need to join in that effort and help her. Anyone know when and where it's next meeting is so we could go? SP
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Meeks is part of the Floyd Flake crew from Jamaica we all remember Flake's mid-term resignation and indictment, so what
do you expect. Has anyone seen Flake's church in Jamaica or any of the buildings he purchased from the city for one
dollar. PG
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Don't worry about the parks, vote for Obama and he will put a park in every Americans back yard. LOL TD
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You are complaining about Charles Park take a look at Centerville Park thats much worse. RM
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Weiner is trying to negotiate cheaper gas prices with her, she is from Saudi Arabia. RR
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May 28
How can Weiner do anything he is on the road with Hillary all the time, banging Clinton's aide. Great representation for
Howard Beach. GR
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SP it is not your responsibility to waste time determine "the underlying issues" thats why we pay taxes. That's the job of
our congressman, Meeks and Weiner have to get additional funding in order to maintain Charles Park, its that simple. They
are not doing their job.
We have been trying to get a youth center since the 80's and it has only fallen on deaf ears, our kids deserve to have a
place to go other then Cross Bay Blvd or the weeds.
Charles Park has been neglected for 20 years, Flake, Schumer, Weiner and Meeks all did nothing to remedy the situation,
just talk. MC
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Hey guys this is not hard, Charles Park is under federal control, if there is insufficient funding its up to our Congressmen
to get us more money. FR
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CBC...The federal government can't maintain Charles Park so know we will let them maintain our health care. Make sense.
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Good to see some of the residents of Harlem particular mothers are speaking out against the violence. Step up to the
plate now Al. JB
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May 27
MC – In regard to your question as to who I blame for the current state of our ball fields and playgrounds, my answer would
have to depend on the specifics of a particular ball field or playground. I think you are far more interested in assigning
blame than I am. I’m far more interested in identifying the underlying issues responsible for why particular conditions exist
so they can be attacked effectively. If the underlying issue is an elected official, then I'll attack the official. If the problem
is more complex than that, 'd rather attack those issues.
As far as Charles Park is concerned, it is Gateway that is responsible for its decisions as to how it
allocates its budget. In my opinion, Gateway is not funded to a level sufficient for it to maintain and/or
improve the acreage, in total, it is responsible for. If the Chronicle article is correct about Gateway’s
budget being $22 million, that amounts to $846 a year per acre to cover maintenance, improvements, etc. I don’t believe
that is sufficient for Gateway as a whole. The $7.5 million for the Jamaica Bay Unit of Gateway works out to about $1200 per
acre. I don’t think that is sufficient either. I don’t know how Gateway receives its allocation of the $22 million. By that I
mean, is the Gateway portion of the National Park Service budget allocated directly by Congress or is it received indirectly
through the total National Park Service Congressional appropriation with NPS determining which portion goes to
Gateway? I don’t know the internal to Gateway’s operational decision-making process that results in the Jamaica Bay Unit
getting $7.5 million out of the $22 million. I would assume Ms. McCloskey’s group is has been working with Meeks to get an
“earmark” specific to Charles Park incorporated by Congress into a budget allocation. He’s 1 member of a 435 member
body which
would have to approve it. Big groups tend to get more attention than small groups, overall. That’s why I said in a prior
post that maybe more could get done if the group were larger. Meeks, although you don’t agree, has been working to get
funding. Instead of just trashing him, it might be more productive to support that effort by asking him what you could do to
help get that “earmark” accomplished. That does not translate to mean you must support Meeks politically or vote for him,
it just means that there are ways to work together with elected officials to accomplish things. I would agree that the $1
million a few years ago, which was spread out over 5 years for both Charles and Hamilton Parks was window dressing. I
don’t agree that the renovations recently done that I mentioned in another post for city parks in the area were window
dressing or that the scheduled improvements are window dressing. For a little perspective, more than $2 million is
allocated by the city for the work to be done at 207 Park. Millions more are allocated to the other projects. Gateway has a
budget of $7.5 million for the Jamaica Bay Unit which covers the Brooklyn, Rockaway, Broad Channel, and Howard Beach
parts of Gateway. I don’t know, but I bet way more money than that is allocated to our city parks just in HB, Oz, and So.
Ozone. As far as getting new fields or a youth or community center I think the neighborhood civic association is the place
to start to work together to get the ball rolling. Before pushing an elected official to start pushing Gateway to do it, the
neighborhood should discuss that idea, openly at a meeting, not anonymously on a website, to develop some consensus
asto whether or not that would be something a majority of the neighborhood would like or support and whether the people
would work together to accomplish it. SP
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10 kids were shot in Harlem last night (Not by a Cop) and Sharpton was nowhere to be found, instead of addressing the
violence in his own back yard where he could have a positive impact he remains silent. LP
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Does anyone know the reason for the helicopter was hovering over old Howard last night? DM
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The local politicians showed us on Halloween how much they care about our kids and our community, you are beating a
dead horse guys. SR
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Who do you blame for the current state of our ball fields and playgrounds SP? Those fields have been in terrible condition
for 20 years. We have been told "they are scheduled for renovations" but nothing gets done but a little window dressing.
I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding the fact that there is plenty of room for Youth or community centers and new
ball fields to be built, but there are no plans to do so and by defending the politicians who have the power to get the job
done we will never get anything done. We must take them to task and force them to improve our community or vote them
out. We are tired of all the funding going to other neighborhoods. We all must work together. MC
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Hey SP why don't you blame the Democrats for the high price of gas, we all know they continue to veto any bills to drill in
Alaska. We have plenty of oil right here in our country, your Democrats are causing every American to suffer. RR
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MC you are correct, we have to start improving our neighborhood and stop worrying about everyone else. There is plenty
of money out there to improve our community, we just need politicians to get it allocated for us,EC
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What a jerk that Maxine Waters is, socialize businesses in the US, why don't she move to Cuba or Venezuela. These people
are very dangerous and it seems they will stop at nothing. NM
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May 26
Happy Memorial Day. Remember all of fallen Hero's, National moment of silence at 3:00 PM
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May 25
MC, criticism seems to be your forte, but critical reading is not. My comments were directed at your
categorical statement that an elected official, Meeks, did “absolutely nothing” in regard to Charles Park. That statement is
belied by the facts regarding efforts to get Gateway to rectify the situation there. He may have done nothing you approve
of, but that does not mean he’s done nothing.
I did not cite a city study, I cited the Parks Department yearly ratings of acceptable park conditions. I said they were the
Parks Department’s assessment, which may or may not be your assessment or
mine of the conditions in city parks. I cited those ratings because, to my knowledge, there is no federalpark in the Jamaica
part of Meeks' district to compare the conditions at Charles Park to, Therefore, I compared city parks to city parks. I
happen to agree with you that local ballfields and playgrounds are in need of improvement. That’s probably why there
have been renovations done
in some of them over the last couple of years and more scheduled for improvement this year and over the next few years.
P.S. 207 park will be getting fully renovated. P.S. 146 will be getting a new playground.Pals Oval will be renovated. The
soccer field and playground on the Conduit by Lefferts was built and the ballfield there will be renovated. The Lindenwood
Playground was just redone because it wasn’t done right last year. The feds should expend the same effort to maintain
Charles Park and Hamilton Beach Park as the city does for our city parks. The feds who run Gateway should do something
besides let weeds grow on all its lan dwest of Crossbay. There’s plenty of land there for some new ballfields and
playgrounds for our kids to use instead of them just going in there to drink and hang out. There’s plenty of room there to
build a state of the art Youth or community center. There’s plenty of room there for walking or biking trails to be built.
For you to conclude that “people like me” put a political “party “above country” or “above neighborhood” just serves to
further support my conclusion that you somehow think it’s acceptable to
insult people and impugn the patriotism and sense of community of those who have opinions differing from yours.
It’s Memorial Day weekend, Charles Park was named after Frank M. Charles who was killed in action duringWorld War I. He
died serving this republic and the democracy we all enjoy. The very essence of our country’s democracy, that he and
millions of others died to preserve, is that the American people are free to hold and express differing opinions. Our
government
functions by developing consensus from the differing viewpoints of its people.
Yep, Congress has a pretty lousy approval rating, yep,the Bush administration has a lousy approval rating. Part of the
reason may very well be that the "my way is the only way" political climate that has developed in recent years all over the
country is so divisive
that not much gets accomplished. I'm no political pundit, but my prediction is that whichever candidate is viewed by the
American people as the least divisive will be our next president. My prediction is that both Weiner and Meeks will get
reelected even if every voter in Howard Beach votes for their opponents. If you want to replace either or both of them
you'll have
to venture out of Howard Beach to build consensus among the voters in the rest of the neighborhoods in their large
districts to join you in an effort to elect someone else who suits you better. SP
Waters is just covering up for the Democrats blocking any drilling in the US and causing gas prices to soar. Remember we
have plenty of oil right here is the US but this good for nothing Congress will not let us drill for it. Next they will introduce
some kind of gas relief for low income citizens so more people can become dependant on the Government. ER
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There is your fellow Democrat on the video at the top of this page, I guess you agree with her. If you have a business SP
let the government come in an take it over, this country is going backwards and "people like you" defend such anti-
American behavior.
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We are sick of excuses SP, we all know who is to blame so stop defending them. SR
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The song should be "When the Money Runs Out" RR
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Its about time we started to improve this neighborhood. We do deserve better and if our politicians will not help us then
vote them all out in November. RR
Socialism has arrived, but not at the behest of Democrats. Rather it
is compliments of George W and his merry men of Wall Street. At the
hands of GWB and his failed administration, we now have an outright
nationalization of our financial system. SP
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Wall Street failed to anticipate how wide-reaching problems with
mortgage bonds would spread into seemingly distant corners of the financial
markets. Awash in easy money, banks doled out credit without
sufficiently charging for the risk. Wall Street also created complex structures
that masked connections between asset classes as well as compensation
incentives that pushed traders to take risky steps for short-term gain.
The industry’s failings have now translated into pain for the broader
economy. EF
Here is what Fortune Magazine had to say about Wall Street: Fortune Magazine
This is exactly why we need to vote these socialist Democrats out for the good of our country. RR
Sept. 19
Can someone please tell me how Wall Street caused this, what did they do wrong that everyone is blaming them. Give me an example
please, the Dems love to blame Wall Street and big business. DS
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This is the result of the socialist agenda allowing anyone to buy a house as if they are entitled to home ownership just because they are
American. People who work hard for years in order to buy a house now must to bail everyone out. What is this country coming to. LP
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Our free markets are becoming Government controlled, Hitler did the same thing, "for the good of the people" WAKE UP AMERICA! AG
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Chris Dodd and Barney Frank should be in jail but of course the media doesn't even report the story. SB
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You are right CBC, the Government acted like the mob putting the bull on this banks to write these bad loans for low income people.
Government has to stop intervening in our lives. FR
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Short selling has always been part of trading, to blame Wall Street is ludicrous. VB
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The Republicans have tried for 5 years to investigate Fannie & Freddie but were blocked by the Dems, John McCain himself tried in
2005. Don't blame Wall Street, the blame goes to the Dems and forcing banks to make bad loans in bad neighborhoods, now we all have
to pay. ER
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Sept. 18
CBC.......The Government is now in the mortgage and insurance business as we continue to lose our free markets which is exactly what
many on the left desire, more government. Government is not the solution it is the problem, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are examples,
as well as the government demanding banks write these risky loans. The trouble started with the repeal of Glass-Stegall back in 1999
which banks and brokerage houses were kept as separate entities. The government caused this problem now they must pay the price for
allowing anyone to purchase a home no matter what their credit or income was. People used to work for years to save up enough for a
down payment in order to buy a house, now they buy a house then look for employment.
The Dems protecting their country club Fannie & Freddie, bad loans and greed on Wall Street all contributed, and now we must pay the
piper. This is a lesson that must be learned when government gets too large. Health care anyone?
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The market was down 450 today, now what do you have to say CBC? DB
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Obama supporters hacked into Sarah Palin's personal email. The Dems are getting desperate. NM
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Sept 17
Another bail out, when will it end. The government loves to waste our money. FR
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CBC...They organize the community. LOL
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Does anyone know what a community organizer does? GF
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Now Obama wants to slow the troop withdrawal from Iraq, while he is campaigning for an imediate withdrawal. Don't fall for his BS! SR
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Sept 16
Big spenders with our money, Joe Biden gave $120.00 to charity in 1999 and $380.00 in 2006 yet he says he wants to help the poor,
what a phony. LP
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McCain continues to gain in the polls, now only down 5 in NY, Obama can fool some of the people some of time but not all of the people
all of the time. NM
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What a joke this Pelosi is, Rangel should be in jail just like any one else and yet not only is he still in Congress he is still chairman of the
House Ways and Means committee. Crime pays when you are a Dem. MC
Sept 15
Dems trying to link Serf Maltese to Tony Seminerio, next they will try and link Rangel to Bush. They are Democrats not Republicans. The
Dems have to take responsibility for not policing their own. ER
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Huge fire in the weeds. LP
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CBC......Congress investigates everything, I find it strange no one is calling for an investigation into Fannie and Freddie the biggest
taxpayer bailout in history. I would like to know what Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Andrew Cuomo, Chuck Schumer and the rest of them
did, we posted last week the politicians receiving the most money from Fannie and Freddie, of course Barack and Hilary along with Chris
Dodd headed the list. Do it for the American people Nancy or Harry
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Make NO MISTAKE ! This country is in this condition because of the Democrats and their FAILED policies and I am sick and tried of no
taking blame for their actions. The high price of energy which adversely effects every American is caused by the Democrats refusal to
drill. The mortgage crisis is caused by the Democrats regulations on mortgages, their mandatory no income, no credit no money down
mortgages written in low income neighborhoods which started in the 70's and was widely expanded in the 90's under Bill Clinton is a
disaster. Banks had no choice but to write these risky mortgages or face Government fines and community backlash. If you think things
are bad now if Obama gets in it will get much worse.SR
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Observers of the political scene know that the mainstream media have been in Obama's pockets for many months, destroyed the
chances of Hillary Clinton, and are obsessed with destroying Sarah Palin. Accuracy in Media has logged in over 80% of the media in the
Obama camp and they are not even hiding it -- though they wiill deny it!
Bill O'Reilly during his interview of Alan Greenspan's wife, Andrea Mitchell who works in the NBC newsroom, asked: Andrea, can you
name a single conservative in NBC's newsroom? Mitchell hemmed and hawed for a few minutes but could not name a single conservative.
If you saw some of the segments lately on CNN and MSNBC, you might have sat there with jaws dropping at the media's blatant
partisanship, when three reporters on CNN ganged up on Palin with not a single one coming to her defense or suggesting anything
positive about her. They were laughing at her as if this conversation was taking place in a locker room, not on live TV,
It was all negative and derogatory commmentary. And they are doing this to a woman who was not there to answer their insults! The way
I see it, this is pure irrational hatred, it is religious fanaticism, partisan zeal, not news reporting, and not a civilized discussion of facts. It is
unprofessional to a massie degree and entirely out of place for national televsion. AGB
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Sept 14
Paterson plays the race card in the Presidential election. He says community organizer is a code word for black. What a jerk. SR
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CBC.....The spike in gas prices is just another reason to diversify our drilling. Our refineries and rigs are localed in hurricane alley and
are subjected to damage and evacuations throughout hurricane season. It just doesn't make sense.
The people of this country deserve better.
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Sept 13
Why can't obama just be an AMERCICAN not an african american? Maybe he and his wife are really ashamed of just being AMERICANS.
Maybe thay can start a trend and stop using this hyphenated designation. After all, they were born in America, not Africa. ER
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Another Democrat gets busted, lets get Rangel next. SR
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Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National
Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to
classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland
Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she
may have security clearances we don't even know about.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping
secrets.
She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is. AGB
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Sept 12
This is the year journalism died, last nights Gibson's interview with Palin was disgraceful, he tried to hammer her while throwing softballs
to Obama. Now it has even filtered down to our local papers who are now quoting blogs and "unnamed sources" in an obvious attempt to
influence voters. Pathetic. JB
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We have been talking about the dead fish since late August on this blog and now all the local politicians are involved,which is good but
where were they in August when the problem first surfaced. They could have found out about it right here in August. ER
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Thats right CBC...WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!
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Obama was not calling Palin a pig, they use that term all the time. GN
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just finish reading lucifer hillary wants more loot from d.c. to save the fare.yes hillary is back
ny just to keep her senate seat. also read mayor lizard and gov one eye willie going to raise
taxes. wake up ppl see what happen when libtards run city.oh how about the big medicaid
fraud 258 million in ny.its your money helping these lowlife crooks.these dem leaders have
done nothing they only do photo-ops for their power. and how about this homo koch backing
obama,what a pos.well we do know schumer weiner will back him too.and this one eye willie
is a joke with is racist bs about obama, the facts on sambo are there and the more he opens
his mouth the more we the ppl have to stop this muzzie.and many many are keeping pressure on
charles rangel to step down now, this senile pos is no better then anybody else who breaks laws.
yes tell these 'local dem. leaders' running we know 'promises and no way will we vote in party
lines so they get job then stick it to us. and all you good ppl who work under these unions, you
better wake up don't be bullie who you have to vote for.don't complain in nov if you keep these
dem in power. JS
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Sept 10
Anybody hear anything new on the dead fish? DD
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Obama must be feeling the heat, his remark yesterday "You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. Class act, can you imagine if
someone called Hilary a pig. Disgraceful. FR
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Why don't they return the contributions in order to lessen the taxpayer burden, of course the media will never ask that. RR
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Sept 9
CBC......Here are the top Campaign Contributions recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900
2. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550
Any surprise they were allowed to operate as a quasi government entity. Any surprise we the taxpayers have to bail them out.This is the
result when Government gives out houses with no income check, no credit check and they will lend you 110% of the price of your home,
great business model
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Why isn't that crook Rangle stepping down. Just another fake, phony fraud LP
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EF writes "almost all Americans, including Obama, Clinton, and other Democrats fully and openly support every man and woman fighting
it." Yet they voted twice NOT to fund the troops. ER
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Everyone knows the Dems have brought into the Alinsky ideology, how do you think Kennedy got elected in 60. Remember Chicago on
election night, "the ends justify the means" AGB
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McCain/Palin surging in the polls, the media will be in full attack mode, it's going to get ugly. SR
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No SP the people who post on this site prefer the truth on the issues and not political spin. RR
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After two weeks we are finally getting some attention on the dead fish, saw Joe Addabbo on the news last night. Where are all the
environmental wackos I have lived on the canal for 30 years and have never seen anything like this yet it takes for two weeks for any
attention. BC
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Sept 8
CBC...I have been looking for that article for two weeks since Alinsky was first mentioned. I knew I had it somewhere, remember its from
2003.
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You are the best CBC, the article above is great. I just sent it to all my friends, it really puts things into perspective. Thanks LP
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Everyone knows you would prefer arch-conservative talking points only.
Everyone also knows there are 2 sides to every story and usually
somewhere in between is the truth. SP
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Really surprised Bloomberg is backing Serf Maltese, now that he is not a Republican he can endorse anyone, guess he thinks Maltese is
the best man. ER
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EF the only lies are coming from the Dems, here are some facts: On 9/11/01 Al Qaeta was in the US, we have not had an attack since,
they are too busy in losing in Iraq. I guess the Dems want the people of the US to fight them here in the US rather then have our military
fight them in Iraq lintel from every country concluded that Sadam was developing weapons of mass destruction. Review some of Bill
Clinton's speeches in the 90's. Two months prior to 9/11 Mohammed Atta met with high ranking Iraqi officials in Frankfort. Is anyone that
stupid to believe if Sadam had them he would not get the to Al Qaeta. Better be safe then sorry. The Dems and the media continue to
shape public opinion with their lies. Really sick of all the lies. VB
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Sept 7
Another Democratic party failure, the Government has to bail out Democratic country club Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. RR
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Bloomberg endorses Serf Matese Bloomberg http://www.nypost.
com/seven/09062008/news/regionalnews/bloomy_backs_former_gop_foe_127814.htm
states: Maltese has a "long record of delivering for the people of Queens and New York City,"
Serfs UP!!! VB
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You are wrong EF, Media Research Center is well respected, typical lib move to discreat an instution you don't agree with. RR
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Hey MC why do you waste your time replying to this jerk SP, its obvious all his doing is posting Lib talking points which are blame America
falsehoods. ER
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The viewpoint of a majority of Americans in regard to the war in Iraq
has been well documented. Most Americans know full well they were lied
to and by whom. Despite their views on the rightness or wrongness of
that front in the War on Terror, almost all Americans, including Obama,
Clinton, and other Democrats fully and openly support every man and woman
fighting it. To imply otherwise is false. EF
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The largest military re-enlistments in history.....
Does your lib-dominated news services put this historical import on the front pages...or even bother to report it?
Low morale in the military? You libs failed to create it. You will see what you deserve -- your failure -- here.
Like you libs and your prophet, the Obama-owned media are phakes, phonies, and phrauds.
Here it is on You Tube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJm24amxaY&feature=related
And here is General Betrayus telling you how it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcQqzISEqLY&feature=related
Semper Fi! AGB
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Sept 6
John McCain's son is in Iraq serving our nation so we can throw diatribes and curses at John McCain and call him an old
fool.
Sarah Palin's son is leaving for Iraq next week to serve our nation so that we can throw insults and diatribes at Sarah Pelin
and call her daughter a whore.
Baraq O'Bama's son is going to...wait, he has no son. He has no American Flag Lapel Pin either... it's too heavy and spoils
the streamlined look of his empty suit.
Baraq O'Bama throws diatribes at McCain and Palin whose sons are in the line of fire and ready to die for you and he. And
he speaks to us about patriotism. They tell us that we are "In the Wrong War; at the Wrong Time; in The Wrong Place.
Except that we are not.
The American people have been lied to. Obama and Biden have failed to acknowledge that 550 metric tons of Saddam-era
yellowcake (the subject of Bush's Lies) was shipped to Canada in July. Enough to make over 150 nuclear bombs. Both have
failed to inform Americans in their stump speeches that we are winning in Iraq; winning a war that they are ready to
surrender after having spent over 4000 lives of our youth. In their world full of hate, they call it Patriotism.
Wrong war? I say, wrong O'Bama assumptions taken logically to wrong O'Bama conclusions from which O'Bama would make
life and death decisions affecting every American. It is a matter of record.
How about plain unadulterated bull and pathetically poor judgment?
Nothing wrong recognizing that fact if one were just a little bit honest. O'Bama honest? Do YOU know anything about this
man? AGB
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SP, I asked if you were friends with terrorists, not the people of HB. The people of HB realize the danger to our country and
community and would notify the proper authorities if they knew someone like Bill Ayers was planning to kill innocent
people. MC
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Media Research Center is not exactly noted for producing bias-free
research data. Brent Bozell who runs it has an agenda which he works to
advance. EF
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Sept 5
The media's coverage of the 2008 Presidential candidates
is recklessly skewed. Left unchecked and unchallenged, it
could taint the election process!The Media Research Center just released a 7-month
study of morning news shows and found the networks
are giving nearly twice as much airtime to Democratic
candidates. Even worse, these segments actively promoted
the liberal agenda.
In other words, the networks aren't even trying to
hide their bias!
I have just signed a national petition launched by the
Media Research Center demanding balance in 2008 election
coverage, and am urging you to do the same by
clicking here:
http://www.mrcaction.org/506/petition.asp?PID=18095054&NID=1
(Note: You can access the full MRC Report, "Rise and Shine
on Democrats," by clicking on the above link.)
The MRC is mobilizing 100,000 citizens over the next 30 days,
and will present the petitions to the media as soon as our
goal has been reached.
Please take a moment to add your name:
AGB
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MC- The FBI likes to talk to lots of people in HB, and often does. SP
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There is no difference between the three community organizers, just one is a little slicker then the other two. Amazing how
some jerks in HB would even consider voting for him. Suicide wish I guess. CB
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Picked up the local HB paper, the one with the name of the non profit organization on its office and not the publication's
name, many articles were slamming Maltese. One particular article was complaining about a mailer sent out by Maltese
criticizing Joe Addabbo and the city council and not having the Maltese name on it (Iike we didn't know it came from
Maltese) Do they think people are that stupid. Joe Addabbo is running a covert campaign through that newspaper and they
accuse Maltese of improprieties. Like I said people are not that stupid, they know what is going on. BS
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Socialism is a danger to any country, SP has to stop reading revisionist history. Freedom is always compromised as
government gains more power and living conditions deteriorate. The Obama doctrine. RR
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SP, are you friends with terrorists, if you are then you are a danger to our country. The FBI may want to speak to you. And
thats a fact! MC
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Sept 4
CBC..What we all saw last night was from the heart, it was not a Hollywood production like what we witnessed a week
earlier, very impressive was Sarah Palin
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Hey CBC what do you have to say about Palin now, you were quick to compare her experience with Obama over the
weekend. FR
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MC- I probably have read far more history than you have. That Obama's
agenda is Socialist is a conclusion drawn by you from your opinions
regarding facts mixed with opinions. Others may easily draw different
conclusions from the same set of facts and different opinions. Obama
befriending a terrorist is a danger to our country, is an opinion. That the
friend is a terrorist is fact. A more local example would be: Mr. X is
a convicted criminal - fact. Mr. X is a gangster and Mr. X is my
friend - both could be fact, both could be just opinion. My friendship with
Mr. X makes me a gangster and/or a criminal too. - also opinion which
also could or could not be fact.
You might want to do some reading on how to distinguish between what is
propaganda and what is not. I am beginning to think MC may stand for
McCarthy- he saw Socialists and Communists under the bed
Those Democratic wackos protesting in Minneapolis are the same groups funded by George Soros who is also giving
money to Joe Addabbo. SR
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She was fabulous. Finally a real America to represent us and not an elitist politician. NM
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Obama's socialist agenda is dangerous for our country, read some history SP, that is not an opinion. Obama befriending a
terrorist is a danger to our country, not an opinion. You will learn. MC
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Sept 3
I guess those Democratic wackos at the Republican convention are exercising their freedom to destroy property and
assault delegates. Disgraceful. RR
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CBC.....It now official, we now know more about Sarah Palin in 3 days then we do about Barack Obama. The major media in
this country is out of control, they have lost all objectivity. It is scary. All we keep hearing is how "historic" this election is,
Joe Lieberman's speech at the RNC was also "historic" yet to the media it was no big deal. I can't ever remember a former
VP candidate speaking at the other parties convention.
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Fred Thompson said it all last night. ER
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MC- That Obama’s agenda is Socialist and/or a danger to America is
your opinion. Your opinions of your fellow countrymen like me who are
undecided that we are therefore gullible, wide-eyed, young, or ignorant
are just more clear indications of your lack of respect for those with
whom you do not agree. And, I was also kind to you. SP
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Sept 2
CBC...I was quoting the racist Mayor of New Orleans, he first coined the phase "Chocolate City" if you have a problem with
that take it up with him. If he can use it so can I.
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You should be ashamed of yourself CBC for calling New Orleans "Chocolate City" you are just another Howard Beach
racist. JB
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Is anyone surprised by the Dems attempt to quiet free speech, they have been doing that to anyone who disagrees with
they for years. Look at the fairness doctrine, they will try to silence talk radio ER
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Obama's terrorist friend Bill Ayers is a fact, Obama's racist pastor is a fact, Obama'a socialist agenda is a danger to America,
thats also a fact, Michelle Obama never being proud of our country is a fact. Obama being dangerous for this country is a
fact, After all that if someone is still undecided they are either a gullible wide-eye young person caught up in the hype or
just plain ignorant, I was kind to you SP. MC
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Katrina was the result of incompetent leaders in local government, they like to blame Bush but the truth of the matter was
poor planning on a local level, buses sat idle while people were trapped. They never asked for federal help until it was too
late.VB
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Addabbo fails to renew his law license, fails to comply with filing regulations, and has been fined several times in the past
by the Campaign Finance Board. I'm surprised he remembers to put his socks on before his shoes in the morning. How can
anyone vote for this mess to hold a higher office in the state senate, when he proved that he can't even get a grasp on his
current smaller responsibilities as a city councilman. Read the papers people, we don't make this stuff up. His slogan
should be - vote for Joe Addabbo, I have a proven track record of breaking the law and being unorganized don't you think
I deserve a promotion? PM
Sept 1
CBC.....Gustav slams "The Chocolate City" Incompetent Mayor Nagin in over his head again, at least Blanco is out and they
have a competent Governor who coordinated the preparations
August 31
CBC..We have no conformation on the O2 pumps but one thing I can tell you is that around 2 weeks ago the canal water
was almost lime gree nin color for nearly a day, residents along the canal never have seen the water such a color. Don't
know if there is a connection
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I heard the dead fish are coming in from the bay which would make the oxygen pump explanation incorrect. TG
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MC- Perhaps you should reread your post. You say you only post facts.
Your statement that my being undecided still as to whom I am voting for
is ludicrous is your opinion regarding my statement, not a fact. That
Obama is a danger to everything America stands for is also an opinion.
Ergo, you do not only post facts, you also post opinions. Your
statement that I must be a gullible, young, and wide-eyed person who cannot
read people is an opinion, and in my opinion, is as inaccurate as many of
your other conclusions. The skills needed to learn how to distinguish
between fact and opinion are taught from elementary school on. My
opinion is that you were not paying attention during those lessons in your
school years. SP
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At least Palin ended state sales tax on gas once the price of went up and she wants more dilling. NM
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Where the hell are our local officials, we have had dead fish washing up for 3 days and still no information. They all must
be campaigning at block parties. SR
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August 30
Great ad, it should be shown on every station, keep it up til the election CBC so everyone will know the true Obama. LP
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SP, you must be a gullible wide eye young person who cannot "read" people, you will learn. I don't hype anything I only
post facts not fairy tales like some others on this site. To disregard Wright, Ayers, Obama's socialist past et al and you are
still undecided is ludicrous, Obama is a danger to everything America stands for, you brought in hook, line and sinker. MC
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That is so typical of the libs to try and silence anyone who disagrees with them. RR
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Did anyone see any of the interviews with Sarah Palin, she was fabulous. Great choice McCain! SR
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CBC..We have it on the home page but the explanation in NOT confirmed. We heard that pump which pumps oxygen into
the canal failed the last two days and the fish are not getting enough O2. Don't know if I can believe that but we will
continue to try and get an answer.
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Does anyone know why all the bunker fish are dying? DD
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August 29
CBC...Lets put Obama and Palin on the same ticket, it would be "historic" Two weeks of experience between the two of
them.
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Hey EF you are confusing nepotism and affirmative action. Nepotism is what you Democrats do all the time for their donors
and affirmative action is just another word for reverse discrimination. It is based on ones skin color or gender. MC
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What is with Joe Addabbo with all these missteps, usually when a political doesn't disclose things they are trying to hide
something. Say it ain't so, Joe VB
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Hey MC - I am not falling for your hype either. If I looked beyond your
words and looked into your eyes or heard the tone of your voice, I
might conclude you are filled with hatred. As they say, perception is in
the eye of the perceiver, and perception is not always fact. I could be
wrong in any perception I have of you and you could be wrong in any
perception you have of Michelle Obama. Anyway, she is not running for
president, her husband is and I have not yet decided whether I am voting
for him or his opponent. SP
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Picked up some of the local papers today and they had Baldeo all over the front page, we discussed that a week ago, keep
up the good work CBC. LP
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Hey ER – Addabbo, Pheffer, and Meeks are Dems and in my opinion, Joe
and Audrey are not liberal in many of their views. I would describe Joe
and Audrey as being from the moderate wing of the Democratic Party and
Meeks as being more liberal. I applied the term lib bashing to some
persons who post on this site who do, in my opinion, regularly utilize a
particular tactic of which Alinsky was a proponent, which is the
personalization of attack. Now, before anyone says that I am defending
Alinsky, let me make it perfectly clear that in my opinion he was a person
whose goals were anti-democratic – small d. However, not everyone
who uses his tactics or has modified them in some way necessarily shares
his goals. Tactics are not ideology. EF
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CBC.....Well the Greek festival is over, the Dems showed everyone they are all fluff and no substance. I was waiting for
Madonna to take the stage. It was not too Presidential. If I have time I will post some quotes from Alinsky so everyone can
see the man Michelle quoted from.
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That Obama video is pretty funny, I think I can see SP and EF in the crowd. RR
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SP, you have to learn to look beyond the words, look into Michelle Obama's eyes, she is filled with hatred . Listen to the
tone of her voice and her facial expressions, don't fall for the hype. MC
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Hey EF, I didn't know Joe Addabbo, Audrey Pheffer and Meeks were Libs, ER
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Hey CBC- I did not defend Alinsky. In fact I expressed no opinion in regard
to him. I merely stated the fact that some local churches were active
in an organization linked very closely to Alinsky. If my memory serves
me right, a Father Lynch from Gate of Heaven was a prime mover in
getting local congregations to become involved in an organization known as
QCO, the Queens Citizens Organization. Among the congregations in
Queens that actively participated in it for a number of years was OLG. A
number of parishioners were actively involved in the group’s
activities in this area and in the borough at large. Of course, those people
were not Communists despite that they and the organization regularly used
tactics that Alinsky’s IAF promoted. My point I was making was that,
in my opinion,you were trying to play the guilt by association game
with your comment vis a vis Alinsky and Mrs. Obama.
If you go to the IAF website you may read the following:
Quote-The current generation of IAF organizations began in the
mid-1970's and was the product of the insight and effort of the person who
succeeded Saul Alinsky as executive director of the IAF, Edward T.
Chambers. The first three modern IAF groups were the Citizens Organized for
Public Service (COPS), in San Antonio, Texas; Baltimoreans United in
Leadership Development (BUILD), in Maryland; and the Queens Citizens
Organization (QCO), in New York. –unquote- SP
August 28
Addabbo fails to file campaign accounts- read the article www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/08/27/2008-08-
27_queens_councilman_addabbo_fails_to_file_-2.html PC
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CBC... What would compel you to defend a vile despicable person like Saul Alinsky is beyond me but that is your right SP. I
will not allow you to associate this atheist with our Church or the wonderful people who volunteer their services. Our
Church would never condone any of his radical ideology. With all the great past Americans which Michelle could have
quoted she decided upon Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals handbook, I find that deplorable and so should all Americans.
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I think the Dems should have their next convention in Being, they have more in common with Red China then America. ER
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What a waste of money these conventions are, give all that money back to the people who need it. I would like to know the
carbon footprint of the convention. VB
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One of the favorite tactics of Saul Alinsky is pretty commonly used in
comments by some people on this site. He advocated the personalization
of attacks on elected officials. Among his rules for radicals is: Pick
the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. That is just
what some radical right posters here are trying to do when they
personalize their attacks on Joe, Audrey, and Meeks and when they personally
attack anyone who writes anything they disagree with here with the tired
old lib bashing. EF
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Alinsky's ideas were the driving force behind the once very active
Queens Citizens Organization known as QCO. Local churches, among them Gate
of Heaven and OLG were very active in that group for years. Are our
churches also populated by Communists? Do not think so.
George W. Bush went to Yale. Dis he get in by following the same
process your kid or mine would have to or did he get in as what they call a
legacy cuz his daddy went there. John McCain went to the Naval Academy.
Did he get in by the same process your kid or mine would have to
follow or did he get in cuz his daddy and grandpa were admirals?
Affirmative action for the elite. SP
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August 27
It's bad enough we had 2 years of this do nothing Democratic congress, the last thing our country needs now is 4 years of
Obama along with this Congress which approval rating is the lowest ever. ER
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That was refreshing CBC, you said what everyone thinks, but won't say. Obama and his wife are arrogant phony's.LP
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I cannot even watch 5 minutes of the Democratic convention, they have blocked drilling for 10 years and then they
complain how high gas prices are destroying America, what hypocrites. MC
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CBC.....Michelle Obama quoted from Saul Alinsky's communist racial handbook 3 times in her speech. A little insight into
the person she is.
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The more I see the Democrats the more socialist they become, everything is wrong with our country according to them,
well what is wrong is what they want to do to this country. They want change we can't afford. NM
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August 26
Ted Kennedy looked great last night, a true American hero. GM
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CBC...We are back, The Dems kicked off their convention last night with American hater Michelle Obama speaking. She has
never been proud of her country and thinks America is a mean country, this coming from someone who attended an Ivory
league College despite the fact that 100's or even 1,000's of students were more qualified then she. Michelle and Barack
were accepted into Ivory League Schools because they were black, they both should kiss the ground they walk on and
thank every American for their opportunity, Lord knows we probably paid for a good portion of their education. Where
does this end, they get opportunities thanks to the racist policy of affirmative action and they are still angry. Shows
everyone their true character, most of us would be eternally grateful.
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August 25
Addabbo took money from the American hater George Soros, whos next Joe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Tell Soros you love
this country and to stick his money up his _ _ _. ER
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Baldeo never had a chance so it is no big deal that he dropped out, I am sure the Queens Democrats gave him an offer he
couldn't refuse. RR
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New poll you will not hear about on the news: 60% of Americans consider themselves as conservative despite the liberal
media, Hollywood and our educational institutions. AGB
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August 24
Why are they trying to make Biden out to be some kind of foreign affairs expert, he is what he had to say about the surge:
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., the panel’s chairman, said the legislation is “not an attempt to embarrass the president. … It’s
an attempt to save the president from making a significant mistake with regard to our policy in Iraq.”
…Biden, who sponsored the measure with Hagel and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich, chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee, said the measure is aimed at getting the administration’s attention. He noted that Bush has said he will be
moving forward with his Iraq plans he outlined in a Jan. 10 address regardless of what Congress says.
The measure “is designed to let the president know that there are many in both parties, Democrats and Republicans, that
believe a change in our mission to go into Baghdad — in the midst of a civil war — as well as a surge in ground troops … is
the wrong way to go, and I believe it will have the opposite — I repeat — opposite effect the president intends,” Biden
said. The man has insulted just about every ethnic group in the US and has gotten away with it for 30 years. AGB
August 23
I thought Obama was for "change" why would he pick a 30 year Washington insider as his running mate. ER
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He should have picked Hilary then the Dems would have won. MM
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Daily News says Baldeo is quitting and endorsing Joe. SP
August 22, 2008
quote-Baldeo To End Campaign, Endorse Addabbbo
Democratic sources confirm Albert Baldeo, who came within some 800
votes of ousting veteran Republican Sen. Serphin Maltese in 2006, will
throw his support to the Democratic establishment candidate, Councilman Joe
Addabbo, this afternoon and stop campaigning...unquote
August 22
They have started building that motel near Pitkin and Crossbay on a residential block, how could our Community Board and
local politicians allow this to happen. We already have one welfare motel across Crossbay Blvd and now another a block
away. Disgraceful. JL
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MC- How is it false to say Malcolm Smith could be replaced? He was
voted in, he could be voted out. Maybe everybody knows, Audrey is going to
run for Borough President in the future, and maybe everybody doesn’t.
It is not false to state she is running for the Assembly, she is, that
is fact, not false. Perhaps she could lose in a race for Borough
President in a primary. If she does, she would still be in the Assembly.
ER- What Barron did does not bother me, it is just one reason among
many others that lead me to prefer the Democrat to run against Serf to be
Joe rather than Baldeo. EF
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August 21
Baldeo is not Italian nor Latino, he is Guyanese. AA
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I find it amazing that this person EF is so bothered by Baldeo standing with Barron in our community calling one person
Joe Addabbo a racist, yet when Addabbo stands behind Barron and Sharpton calling everyone in HB racist that doesn't
bother this person at all. What a fake. ER
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Hey EF, if Serf wipes out so does Howard Beach. RR
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I can't let EF continue to post false statements, there is no way Malcolm Smith will be replaced by the Democrats, they
having be introducing him for the last 3 years as the "next State Senate Majority Leader" If they ever tried the black would
claim racism. Everyone knows Audrey Pheffer is going to run for Queens Borough President, lets get our facts straight. MC
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Baldeo is not running against Maltese, he is running against Addabbo and the post don't paint a pretty picture for Addabbo
especially in his back yard. I think Baldeo could use them against Joe and not Serf. LP
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August 20
Hey RL- Serf's heading for a wipe out. EF
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All this guy Baldeo needs to do is clip some of these nasty comments
and play them up in the other neighborhoods that are more diverse. They
do not paint a pretty picture of Serf supporters. SP
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Before there is the November election there is the Primary. The
Democrat to run against Maltese will be determined on Sept. 9. I much prefer
to see the November race be between Addabbo and Maltese, rather than
have Baldeo be the Dem to run against Serf again. Therefore I will be
voting for Joe on Sept. 9.
Blacks do not hate the citizens of HB any more than the citizens of HB
hate Blacks. Yes, there are haters in this world of all persuasions,
but to lump all of any group as being or doing anything is asinine. As
far as Malcolm Smith is concerned, he could very well and very easily be
replaced as the Senate Dem leader when and if the Senate changes
hands.
It is not a race between Addabbo and Maltese yet. Until Baldeo, a man
who has stood in our community with Charles Barron to call Joe a racist,
is beaten in the Primary and the primary is over there is no Dem yet
as the candidate. Baldeo lost to Maltese by a hair in 2006. There are
far less Republicans now in the district. Baldeo can win against
Maltese and so can Joe in November. If Maltese goes down, I far prefer it
to be to Joe than to Baldeo. I would suggest that you might too
although you would prefer Serf to win in November. By the way, Audrey is
running for the Assembly seat. EF
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When you hear a Democrat use the term "changing demographics" it means immigrants both legal and illegal plus
minorities are moving into the neighborhood and the Democrats will do everything to get them registered to vote. MC
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August 19
Addabbo Article:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08192008/news/regionalnews/dems_legal_lapse_125099.htm
Didn't anyone see the article about Joe Addabbo in todays New York Post. It supports what we have known all along, that
he claims to be something that he is not, and just like he has always done in the past - does not follow through with his
promises and political obligations to himself and to the community. Don't trust him with your vote, he can barely take care
of his own legal battles forget about taking care of the rights of the neighborhood in which he serves. I'm sure his friends
Sharpton, Baron, and that loser EF can think of an excuse for him. November can't come soon enough. In the mean time it's
still August and time to hit the beach, Serf's Up ! RL
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Wrong again EF, Baldeo garnered some votes in HB because everyone thought he was Italian, he also captured many
Latino votes because they thought he was Hispanic. So EF will vote for Addabbo knowing that a black run Democratic State
Senate will be catastrophic for HB, we all know blacks hate the citizens of HB and having a black Governor and Senate will
be our ruination. As long as a Democrat get in is all that EF cares about, not our community, CB had it correct, Addabbo
should have run for Phefer's seat and everyone would have voted for him but he chose to sell out his community in favor
of the black Democrats. This is no longer a race between Maltese and Addabbo, HB can not let the State Senate be taken
over by racketeers like Malcolm Smith and others who hate HB. Thats the message that the citizens of HB must know
before November so spread the word. MC
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Hey CB, Why are you surprised Addabbo has to cater to Blacks because they run the Democratic party in this area as the
article above shows. He showed his true colors showing up with Sharpton and Baron on Crossbay during the Nick
Mannucci debacle. His father must be turning over in his grave how he sold out this neighborhood.RR
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And this guy Smith is in bed with DA Brown, we never had a chance. What a way to conduct government. ER
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It's ok Joe, my vote will cancel out CB. HB is a very small part of
the Senate District. Baldeo did not get HB votes last time and he came
very, very close without them. Two years later, same voter pool in HB,
but lots more Dems, fewer Reps due to changing demographics in the
northern areas of the district. Baldeo gets them and Baldeo wins. Years ago
there was some popular grafitti in the area that HB ruled all, not
true in terms of the different elective districts we are in. EF
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CBC...Lets see if the price of oil goes up after the Olympics, I have a feeling the recent downturn can be attributed to less
demand from China over the past month because many Chinese were not permitted to drive due to the pollution. I hope I
am wrong.
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The article above says what Malcolm Smith did was illegal, lets see if he gets indited. This is the same Democratic machine
which threw HB under the bus last Halloween. Their behavior is much worse then the mob and yet some choose to defend
these gangsters, ignorance is blind. MC
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Hey MC- Call me all the names you want. If you choose to interpret my
posts, as you say, as being in defense of liberal Democrats no matter
what they do, that is your problem, not mine. Anyone with even a
rudimentary grasp of logical argument knows exactly what I meant with the
labeling comment I made to SP. That you do not is also your problem, not
mine. EF
August 18
Sorry Joe, I like you but I can't vote for you this time, you are letting the blacks use you so they can control the State
Senate. With a black Governor we need some representation in Albany, you should have run for Audrey's seat. CB
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Hey EF, Why are you afraid to admit that you are a racial liberal, stand up and be a man or woman. You are labeled that
because of your post and constant defending of liberal Democrats no matter what they do. It is in no way akin to HB
residents being labeled racist or gangsters, we see your posts. MC
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Hey RR- I do not want you do to any work for me. I already know that you cannot offer any proof whatsoever for your prior
statement that the Democratic Party has at any level called our troops terrorists, because
no such statement has been made.
So now I guess you want to change the subject by not proving one nonsensical claim you made by offering another
nonsensical claim. It is not a fact that the Democratic Party or all politicians aligned with it are
anti-religion. I, and anyone else who chooses to, can most certainly worship God and be a Democrat, even a liberal one,
contrary to your statement. What is a fact is that people have differing views in regard to
how the uniquely American concept of separation of church and state isinterpreted and applied. That is a far cry from
being anti-religion. SP
August 17
The graduation rate for city schools went up to 58% last year, lets raise taxes a few billion and maybe we can get it up to
60%. Great school system. LP
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Hey SP- Some of the people who post here overlook both gradations and additional alternatives between extreme
positions. There is a vast space in the middle of the political spectrum between left and right they
tend to overlook. The tendency toward name-tagging like calling someone anti-American, liberal, or whatever else for that
matter assumes that the attachment of labels to people constitutes evidence for conclusions
about the people to which the label is applied. It is sort of like the tendency of some people from outside of Howard Beach
to label all of us racists or gangsters. Other people who have no personal knowledge
of us then assume that it is true because the fact that the label has been attached makes it so in their minds. It is the
fallacious old big lie theory. Say something often enough and loud enough therefore that
makes it true. EF
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Like a typical liberal you want someone else to do the work for you, google them yourself. I am sure you already know what
they said. The party and the politicians you defend have shown to be anti-religion and that is a fact so you can't worship
God and still be aliened with these people. RR
August 16
Call Weiner's office and tell him how sick you are of high gas and food prices. Stop working for Pelosi and start working for
us, start drilling now, we owe it to our kids. Phone:718.318.9255. ER
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Hey RR- You produced some names of prominent Democrats, yet you failed
to provide any statement made by any one of them in the name of the
Democratic Party in which they called our troops terrorists to back up
your earlier comment regarding Democrats in which you declaratively stated
that particular political party calls our troops terrorists.
It is nonsense for you to state that I WORSHIP those persons you
mention. How do you propose to back up that nonsensical statement with any
factual proof of it. In terms of worship, I worship my God, not
political figures. In terms of the political figures you mentioned, some I
agree with, others I do not.
It is also nonsense for you to declare that all of those you mentioned
are anti-American. You may erroneously cling to your belief that I am
anti-American. That is offensive, but it is your right to believe it.
You could also believe the world is flat if you want to, but that
belief would not be correct, as fact belies it. What I believe is that
people who call others names because their political opinions differ,
demonstrate their own lack of respect for the basic premise of democracy and
political discourse among people. SP
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The media loves Obama now, wait til after the convention it will get much worst. They are worse then the Chinese media
and we are supposed to have free press here. LP
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August 15
I hear Vladimir Putin will be the keynote speaker at the Democratic convention. JB
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SP you only hear what you want to, here are some Democratic names: John Kerry, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin,
Harry Reid, John Murha, Michael Moore and I could go on and on, these are the people you worship SP, they are anti-
Americans and therefore I have to believe you are the same. RR
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I am so sick of you Democrats and your un-patriotic ideology. Higher taxes and higher gas prices will do wonders for our
economy. Makes no sense. PC
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August 14
Hey RR- I do not answer for the Democratic Party. That being said, I am
aware of no statement made in the name of the Democratic Party that
has called our troops terrorists. If you are aware of any such statement
made by the Democratic Party at the national, state, or local level,
produce it. I do not know of any statement made in the name of the
Democratic Party calling the president a terrorist, however, I would
imagine that an individual, who happens to be a Democrat may have. If it was
said here, I would condemn it.
As far as Reverends Sharpton and Wright are concerned, I may have not
written anything here in regard to their comments as neither posts here
to my knowledge. If they do. I will. I have commented on their antics
and their less than acceptable rhetoric elsewhere.
The right to freedom of speech does not have to be exercised crudely or
offensively. As far as I am concerned, JB was both crude and
offensive in referring to other people as garbage. As you say, I could ignore
and not read a post I find offensive. However, this site is supposed
to be for the free and open exchange of opinions, ideas concerns and
beliefs. You can comment as you wish and I can comment as I wish. SP
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CBC...THe UN has done a great job in Georgia, what a wonderful organization. The US Government collected 2.5 trillion in
taxes last year. still not enough for the Dems.
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That is a great article you posted above CBC, I hope the lefties in this room read it. SR
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HB has never received our fair share and you are correct in blaming our local politicians for not delivering, the problem is
that the Democrats and Republicans are in bed together and we will never get anyone to represent the people unless an
Independent runs but an Independent could never win. DC
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All of a sudden SP has a big mouth, when his party calls our troops and president terrorist during a time of war, nothing is
said, when Rev. Wright said "God Damn America' that was free speech according to SP when Sharpton and Barron divide
the races, nothing but silence. When a person expresses an opinion based on personal experience SP is outraged, what a
fake you are, Freedom Of Speech remember SP if you don't like it then don't read the post. RR
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JB- I chose to comment about your choice of words in describing other
people as garbage. I have not disparaged any member of our armed
services nor have I disparaged my country or called its president, whose
policies I dislike, names. Therefore your over generalization about liberals
is fallacious. You may rationalize all you wish to justify your
choice of words, but referring to other people as garbage is disrespectful.
I write what I think on this site and am under no obligation to confine
what I write to topics you want me to write about. SP
August 13
Since when you Libs care about respect, they have disparaged our troops, our country, have called our President every
name imaginable. You choose not to post any comments about that SP. When people make promises to this community and
never deliver they are indeed GARBAGE. No matter how many volunteers we have if we get no representation from our
local leaders we have no chance. JB
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August 12
Why don't our local leaders stop people from making U-turns on 157th. Every day I get caught for 2 lights turning into Old
Howard. Sent them up to Starbucks to make a U_turn it would help reduce congestion at that intersection. BC
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August 11
That broken fence in the park is disgraceful, there is no excuse for not having it repaired after all this time. Keep voting in
the same people and nothing will ever get done. SR
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JB- Meeks, Weiner, Addabbo, and Pheffer may be people you do not like
or choose to vote for. That is your perogative. That you believe it is
acceptable political or even personal discourse to call people garbage
is sad. I pity you. In essence, the public are the employers of
elected officials. However, that fact gives you no more right to be
personally disrespectful to them than if your employer referred to you as
garbage because he or she did not like the way you performed your job.
You say you have been involved for many years and that I should take it
from you that your judgments are correct. What constitutes your
involvement? There is always a need for active, committed volunteers like
Mrs. McCloskey in all areas of community life. SP
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CBC.....Gas prices coming down is similar to a tax cut, it puts more money in your pocket which in turn helps the economy.
Hopefully it will also help out the foreclosure situation, people will have more money to pay their mortgages. No need for a
mortgage bailout, just drill, drill and drill some more. Would like to know how many foreclosures were caused by the high
energy and food costs, which were caused by the Democrats refusal to drill.
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Anyone see any numbers over the weekend as to the lost revenues for the city due to Bloomberg's Manhattan block party.
Businesses must have taken a beaten so the wackos can ride bikes and roller skate. What a joke. PC
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SP, you don't understand, I didn't "rag on" Ms McCloskey, she gets no help from our local Democratic leaders. I have been
involved for many years and you can take it from me, Meeks is garbage, Weiner is garbage, Addabbo is garbage and
Pheffer is close, they tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing. Ms McCloskey will tell you the same, off the
record. What you have to learn is that there should not be a need for Ms McCloskey and her volunteers, we are not asking
for a dome over the tennis courts, we just want routine maintenance to which we are entitled to. Government is
responsible for maintaining safe, clean parks for its citizens, same as garbage collection or road repair, that is why we pay
taxes, Ms McCloskey should not have to beg local politicians for normal maintenance, it is their job to keep the park safe
and clean, that is what we pay them for. There has been an unsafe condition since February in the park and it still has not
been fixed, it should have been repaired before any Little Leaguer took to the fields in March and for you to defend such
action shows me you are either ignorant or just as someone posted a while ago 'A Democratic cool aid drinker" in either
case I pity you. JB
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August 10
JB- So how is it ok for you to denigrate the hard work of your fellow citizens like Dorothy McCloskey by saying she has
gotten nowhere? She and those who have worked with her over those years have gotten somewhere
as apparently the effort resulted in funding by Weiner a few years ago and funding by Meeks now. She has also gotten a
successful tennis program for our kids among other things. It could be argued that 2 million
is nowhere near enough, but to say the person who led the effort to improve the park, and by extension all those who
helped her along the way, got nowhere is an unacceptable insult to them. In polite society it
is customary to say thank you to those who do you a service. Rag on Meeks all you want. Mrs. McCloskey, and her
committee, the civic, and others who participated with her are VOLUNTEERS. They are providing a
service. If you think they have gotten nowhere, come out from behind your initials, stand before your neighbors, and be
the VOLUNTEER who leads the committee to get the next pot offunding. SP
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JB- Take 2 aspirin and rant on. EF
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At the very least they are hearing us, we need more people to get involved on this site. The more people the louder our
voice will become. FR
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August 9
CBC...I don't know what role if any our little blog played in securing that funding but as I have stated previously city, state
and federal politicians visit this site regularly and that is a good thing. At least they are listening to what their constituents
have to say and they must be commended for that.
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The "ranting" along with the Chronicle article pushed Meeks to take action. Ms. McCloskey has been working many years
and getting nowhere so don't tell us about working together EF, it was you who defended Meeks and Weiner for not
allocating the funding. It is amazing how you would classify your fellow citizens posts as "rants" but when Sharpton and
Barron who truly do rant, nothing but silence. You are so transparent it sickens me. JB
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You were right CBC, since Bush lifted the ban on drilling oil has done nothing but come down, now if we can get the
Democrats on board we will be fine. NM
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August 8
What the hell is 1 million, we got that much in 2000 and look at the park now. We need much more then that so lets not stop
fighting. TM
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Another self righteous Democratic liar gets caught. John Edwards has been telling us about the two Americans and how
we must take the higher road. What a hypocrite PC
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The earmark obtained by Congressman Meeks was accomplished through the efforts of those local leaders like Ms.
McCloskey and her committee who worked together with him at getting it and who worked with him and all of the local
elected officials together in the effort to prevent Gateway having the ability to divert it to fund other things in other parts
of Gateway. Working, not ranting, gets that kind of stuff done. EF
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It look as though we lite a fire under Meeks & Weiner, finally some of our taxes coming back to HB. We need more funding
1 mil is not enough. SR
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CBC......JS please don't use caps. Well the good news is that Charles Park is getting some much needed funding, ( Not
Enough, but it is a start) our complaints have been answered. Perhaps the posts on this page played a role, I do know the
local politicians visit this page including the House of Representatives, maybe your posts over the last 5 months pushed
them into action. More important is the fact that Charles Park is getting the funding, thanks to all involved.
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JUST READ DAILY NEWS ARTICLES. ONE ON REP. ANTHONY 'WEENIE WEINER
ON THOSE BOATS IN JAMAICA BAY. WOW WEENIE BIG NEWS, YET THIS POS
WHO WAS WITH PIGLOSI IN STOPPING THE DRILL VOTE TO TAKE PLACE OR
DEBATES. NEXT IS THE HOMELESS ARTICLE FUNNY HOW NYC TRIPLE THE
AMOUNT OF HOMELESS. 'ARE ALL THESE HOMELESS NY,ERS' HMMMMMMMMMM
WAS THERE NOT AFEW YEARS BACK MAYOR SAID THEY MUST COME AND REGIST.
WHAT HAPPEN 'THEY NEVER DID' KNOW WHY THE MORONS WHO RUN AND WORK
FOR THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE OUT OF JOBS. DID THE KATRINA PPL EVER GO
BACK? WAKE UP MY FRIENDS LOOK AT L.A. ON SCAMS WITH HOMELESS THREE
HOSP.'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. JUST LOOK AT HOW OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE
GOING UP UP UP, WITH THESE LEFTWING CON'S. AND SPINELESS DEM. LEADERS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS WE NEED HOPE AND CHANGE GET RID OF WEENIE SCHUMER
AND THOSE LOCAL LEADERS WHO ARE DONKEYS. J.S.
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Hey SR, thats the best idea I heard in awhile, let the people who want higher gas prices pay for it. They can put their money
where their mouth is and at the same time reduce pollution, the Dems should go for that all they ever do is to divide our
country by race, class, location etc. Divide and conquer. ER
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August 7
Hey MC, obviously from the content of his article Sen. McCain appears concerned enough about public education to take a
position on a particular plan for improvement. Therefore, contrary to what you said, I am not the only person worried about
it. Interesting that you seem to think that you know that no other person aside from me is worried about education.
Amazing that you can read the minds of everyone. By the way, education is both an entitlement and a government service.
The terms are not mutually exclusive of each other. Sen. Pelosi is perfectly capable of defending herself and whatever
positions she has taken on issues. As far as my opinion on the oil drilling issue, it is that neither the Republican nor
Democratic candidates for president or the present
administration has put forth an acceptable plan. EF I think Republicans should pay $2.50 a gallon for gas and the Dems who
want to pay more $6.50. Why stop them if they want to pay more, drive smart cars, ride bikes and use mass transit. More
power to them. SR
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AS, you shouldn't be scared, thats the change Obama speaks of, they want us to embrace it. ER
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Hey EF, you are the only one worried about public education, we gave up in the 80's, just another example of a
government service (not entitlement) which has been rendered useless. Wasteful spending, corruption, school board
indictments and the teachers union all contributed to it's demise, now it's on to health care. What is your opinion on your
despicable Democrats refusal to drill hurting the poor and middle class the most. Let's hear you defend Pelosi. MC
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August 6
Here you go, now you can stop worrying about the current state of education, McCain supports what Sharpton supports.
It's time for education reform
BY JOHN MCCAIN (source NY Daily News Op-Ed)
"Campaigning at town halls across America, I am often asked about my plans to reform our public schools. And the answer
begins with two points on which most everyone agrees: Every public school child deserves a
first-rate education. And too many of our schools are producing second-rate results.
Beyond that, the education debate divides quickly into two camps. Some say all that's needed is more taxpayer money,
along with more prekindergarten and after-school programs. Others believe that the basic
structure of the education system is flawed, and that fundamental reform is needed. You can put me squarely on the side
of major reform.These days, the cause of education reform crosses all boundaries of
party, race and financial means. In New York, Mayor Bloomberg and Schools Chancellor Joel Klein have taken up the
cause of reform, as have many others, including the Rev. Al Sharpton. These men are strong supporters
of the Education Equality Project, a group dedicated to finally changing the status quo in our education system..."
EF
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CBC........The behavior of the congressional Democrats is in excusable, Pelosi should be removed for not allowing a vote.
The Democratic argument over drilling makes no sense, they claim it will take too long to get the oil out of the ground, yet
they want us to rely on technologies that don't even exist at this time, also they claim the oil companies have leases that
they don't drill on. The leases they have has no oil or the oil on the lease is too difficult to get out. Give them new leases
where the oil can be easily and quickly extracted. We have to start somewhere. It is a national security issue that must be
addressed immediately and not wait until they come back from vacation. If a few oil producing countries decided to stop
exporting oil saying that they are running low and want to save what they have for their people, what are we to do. They
are putting the needs of the people last and their political agenda first. You are correct about Anthony Weiner doing the
leg work for Pelosi.
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PIGLOSI AND MISFITS WENT ON VACATIONS AND LEFT US WITH NO DRILL NOW
BY THE WAY JUST REMEMBER REP. ANTHONY WEINER ALL TALK AND NO ACTION
IS LIKE CHUCKIE PUTZ SCHUMER. ANTHONY 'WEENIE' WAS PART OF PIGLOSI PLOT
CLOSING DOWN CONGRESS. THEY KNOW THAT FRICKIN BILL WOULD PASS IF THE
VOTE WAS PUT ON FLOOR. THANK GOD FOR THOSE GOP REP'S WHO STOOD AND
WILL STAY ALL OF VACATION. LIKE MOST HAVE DONE IN MANY STATES SEND ALL
THESE NY MISFIT DEM LEADERS E-MAILS OR CALL THEIR OFFICE. TELL THEM STOP
DRILL NOW DRILL NOW DRILL NOW DRILL OIL RESERVES IS FOR EMER, USE DON'T
LISTEN TO THESE MIFITS TO TAP IT. J.S.
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Ok they really need to get off this Gotti trip, it's not the Gotti family we need to worry about. As for that video about
England, it's scary it truly is and I am speechless that's how scared it has me.
AS
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August 5
No wonder the deficit is so large with all the money the government has spent trying to get Gotti FS
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The government is going after Jr. Gotti again, they never stop. VB
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Baron should keep his mouth shut, he is the biggest racist on the council and should be in jail but he gets away with it
because he is black.. JB
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August 4
Now we have another incident, the cops shoot a black guy with a knife and now they want a special prosecutor. City
Councilman Barron is leading the charge. Why don't they just pass a law that under no circumstances cops cannot shoot a
black person. DC
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Came back to Howard Beach for the Feast, it was great. Will always miss HB. GM
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August 3
J&B built my home and did a wonderful job, I highly recommend them. It is obvious the Forum has some sort of vendetta
against J&B. They really need to find better stories to report on. JL
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Your videos above shows what America will become if Obama gets elected, it is not pretty. It has nothing to do with race,
his politics are just bad from America. We all need to do our part and make everyone aware of what this great country will
become, the media won't do it so we must. Tell you friends and family and CBC you must continue the fight for we are all in
a war. I am also calling on our local leaders to denounce this un-American charlatan. SR
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J&B has done a great job in this community and is a wonderful family run business, the Forum has to learn that this is
America and you are innocent until proven guilty. They were telling the community on Halloween not to jump to
conclusions and wait until all the facts are in. Two faced. MG
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August 2
Help out the environment and recycle useless unwanted garbage like the FORUM. Try not to let it be a total waste of paper
and trees like those Joe Addabbo junk mail ads. I myself use the FORUM as a substitute for many household items such as
toilet paper, firewood, paper mache, and to line the bottom of my bird cage. DO
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This jerk Malcome Smith is taking shots at the NYPD for the rapist in Queens, the cops are doing everything they can. He is
giving the cops one week to find the perp or call in the national guard. Just think this guy will become the State Majority
leader if Joe Addabbo wins in November, what a scary thought. I guess his next step is to accuse the NYPD of racism
because they are not working as hard to catch this creep. ER
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Obama say's get a tune-up and keep your tires properly inflated and we can save as much oil as if we started drilling, what
an idiot. CM
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Why put a huge photo of the guys house in the paper, J&B has always been a respected member of our community, why
don't they post a photo of the Forum office which doesn't even have a name on it. I wonder why. The Captain should do an
investigation into what is going on there. JS
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The Chronicle has a small article on page 13 about J & B and the Forum does a hachet job on fellow members of our
community, it was an obvious attempt to ruin their business. At least the Chronicle named the Captain as their source of
information. He allegetly stole a container worth $3,000 and they put it on the front page. That paper has got to go. VB
August 1
Pelosi shuts down Congress for vacation but Republicans refuse to leave until a vote on drilling takes place. Keep
fighting for us. ER
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CBC....US government gets record tax revenue from one company as Exxon profits soars. As government tax revenue
continue to drop due to the high cost of gas and food effecting the economy the government got some much needed help
from Exxon.
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J & B probably refused the advertise in the Forum so they decided to get even, thats what they do. RN
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I don't understand how the people of England would let this happen, they have such a rich history and they just sit back
and let their country go down the tubes. LP
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I am sick a tied of the Forum attacking members of our community, JB Construction has done a great job beautifying homes
in our area, I have used them twice and they have done an extraordinary job. That article is disgraceful, the Forum has
them convicted before they have even been indicted of anything. They always cite quotes from unnamed sources, I want
to know the name of the "police source" quoted in that article, why would a cop from the 106 make public details of a case
like this. During the Halloween attacks we received no details because" it was an ongoing investigation and they couldn't
make any details public." Remember the Forum refused to print any news during the Halloween attacks or criticize any
politicians. Another witch hunt from The Forum. SR
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Charlie Rangel gets off the hook again, it is illegal to use rent controlled apartments for an office Another black politician
gets away with a crime. VB
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At least England in politically correct as their lose their country, that is important. Wake up AMERICA, great vid CBC. TG
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July 31
The feast has started at OLG. LM
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China looks like a great place to hold the Olympics. What were they thinking. I think they should have held the Olympics in
ANWAR. NM
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New numbers on the economy shows no recession despite the media talking down the economy. That in itself is amazing
considering the price of gas, if the Dems and Pelosi will let up drill the economy will improve dramatically. JB
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July 30
Some facts about the foreclosure crisis: irresponsible borrowers trashing their homes, leaving their pets behind, and
setting their houses on fire,these reckless homeowners as well who bought more home than they could afford and binged
on home equity loans now expect responsible renters and conscientious borrowers to cover their asses and assets.
These people are not victims its the People who will be forced to fork over their money to prevent foreclosures are the
real victims. People who are protected from the consequences of their actions are beneficiaries. People who have to pay
for the consequences of the bad decisions of others are victims. AGB
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CBC....Fast food now banned in LA. City Council voted to ban all new fast food eateries from opening in LA
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CBC...PC...It is similar to owning a business with 100 customers but 10 of those customers account for 80% of your
revenue. If you loose 5 of them your revenue is down 40%, that is a very poor business model. I think at this time that 10%
is moving their money out of the country so Obama can't get his hands on any more of their money. You just can't continue
to go to the well before it dries up. Bush and Paterson said this week tax revenues are down tremendously this quarter, of
course most of it is due to the economy but some of it may be due to the transfer of money out of this country.
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What the Government has to do is to get back to providing service and protection for it;s citizens and stop wasting our
money on all this pork barrel spending and wasteful spending projects. Smaller government will reduce the deficit. Mass
transit, public schools and the like are services not entitlements which the government can afford even in this economy.
FR
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What Obama should be embarrassed by is the fact that 80% of the population in this country mooch off 10%. RR
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That is exactly what the liberals want, no country, no religion, no possessions. Now thats change. LP
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July 29
The top 10% earners in this country now account for nearly 80% of the tax revenue. The lower 50% of earners account for
2% of the tax revenue. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country PC
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Truth needs no defense. Libel can cost you.JD
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Must be Global warming causing the rip tides in Rockaway. JB
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CBC...Listening to Obama apologize for America in Germany last week reminded me of John Lennon's Imagine. He wants to
take down the walls between nations."Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too," sounds like the Liberal agenda. We were told diversity was
good, I guess not when it comes to being American. He is embarrassed of Americans for not speaking more then one
language but he is not embarrassed of our new immigrants not speaking Englished, I guess its OK for them to speak one
language. You may say I'm a dreamer
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Nancy Pelosi will not even let Congress vote on drilling, recent poll showed 75%of Americans want to drill yet the
Democrats in Congress continue to be obstructionist, and they say Bush is stubborn. Maybe when gas hits $7.00 they will
take a vote. ER
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Pretty good PL. FB
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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made sizable donations to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition. Freddiie Mac has
promised 1 Billion in mortgage loans specifically for minorities. Congress investigates everything these days yet no
investigation for Fannie or Freddie. Nice to know they will put our bail-out money to good use. AGB
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July 28
The real American dream is not found in having a government that helps you pay for your home, your health care and your
retirement. It is found in taking care of those things yourself, as a free and independent person. AGB
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Apple announced today that it has developed a breast implant that can store and play music. The iTit will cost from $499 to
$699, depending on cup and speaker size.
This is considered a major social breakthrough, because women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts
and not listening to them. PL
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Hey EF- Read my posts, I did not say it was the sole cause, it was the main cause and it's not for me to believe it's what
history has taught us. MC
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July 27
So now the people who pay their mortgages on time have to also pay for those that don't. Hey CBC why don't you post have
much pork the Dems attached to the bill and really make everyone sick. ER
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Hey MC- Reread my posts, I cited no book, liberal or otherwise, in regard to the American Revolution. If you want to believe
that taxation was the sole cause of it, suit yourself. Read whatever book by whatever historian you want on it. You might
actually learn something. EF
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Why are you jerks fighting over a war 250 years ago, we are getting taxed to death right now, start the REVOLUTION NOW!!!
PC
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July 26
Well said JB, the closest that phony JD has been to the Marine Corps was watching Gomer Pyle! Sempre Fidelis. ER
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Hey CBC you should know better then to bring up the Revolutionary War with a liberal, they will deny it til their deaths that
people gave their lives over taxation after all without high taxes a liberal has nothing. EF sites liberal revisionist books in
order to cast a doubt on the cause of the war but everyone knows taxation was the main reason. The only way for
government to grab more power over us is through taxation. MC
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You need to put that health coverage video on the home page, we need to educate as many people as possible to the
pending disaster. I urge everyone to send out emails with links to this page, this socialized medicine must be stopped and
everyone who visits the website can help. RM
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Hey EF- Some of the folks posting here have not gotten past the fifth grade version of the causative factors behind the
American Revolution. The most famous slogan of the colonies leading up to the American Revolution was indeed No
Taxation Without Representation. The fact that this slogan endures today shows the power of good public relations. Words
- coined effectively and succinctly - have staying power. The power of slogans notwithstanding, when people conclude
that the War for
Independence was about taxes, they forget or never learned some simple facts: The most burdensome and controversial
tax levied on the colonies was the Stamp Act of 1765, which was repealed in 1766, nine years before military hostilities
broke out and ten years before independence was declared. The last major tax which preceded the war itself was the Tea
Act of1773, which represented a paltry tax on British tea in North America. That tax was so paltry, in fact, that British tea,
taxed as it was, wasstill cheaper than smuggled Dutch tea. When the Second Continental
Congress enumerated the specific grievances in the Declaration of Independence, they listed "imposing Taxes on us
without our Consent" as Number Seventeen. Clearly, if taxes were the main cause of the American Revolution, the war
would have started sooner than it did, and the Founding
Fathers would have thought to list it higher up in the list ot grievances in the Declaration of Independence. SP
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Hey CBC, why didn't you post the fact that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are country clubs for the Dems. The scandal there
was worse then Enron and they were all Dems. CF
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That is why the number of children being home schooled is soaring, parents are fed up with the public schools and their
liberal curriculum, in addition the teachers union is in the back pockets of the Democrats. SR
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1. I did not defend the content of the writing of Moore.
2. I used what AS said in his or her own words. AS said the professor
said Moore was a good writer. AS said Moore was ludicrous and obnoxious.
I offered a reason for a lowered grade based upon what was said by AS
because ludicrous and obnoxious are opinions of the content not the
writing.
3. Read a book on the American Revolution or the full content of the
Declaration of Independence. Taxation without representation was one
reason among many.
4. Read a book about the political philosophy of Jefferson and company.
5. A free public education through high school is an entitlement. The
entitlement is the opportunity to get the education.
6. I was not discussing the quality of local schools. I was commenting
on a concept basic to American life and its historical roots in liberal
philosophy - not your limited version of what liberal thought is.
EF
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That clip above says it all. I urge all to view it. Why don't the media and libs in this country just come clean and stop lying
about socialized medicine. ER
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You are right CBC, our medical insurance will become the public school system under socialized medicine. nearly
everyone in HB will be paying more so all the illegal imigrants can have coverage. To make matters worse our taxes will
also go increase. FR
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I think in 1998 there were more indictments given out then diploma's in NYC. Great public schools. Thanks for nothing! RR
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July 24
CBC....EF wants us to thank the liberals for the wonderful public schools we have in our area including John Adams and
Franklyn K. Lane. I am just stupid breaking my back sending my son to Archbishop Molloy when he could get just as good
an education in John Adams. I know 20 kids who live within 4 blocks of 146 yet they all go to OLG, everyone in HB with the
exception of EF must be dumb. Just because it's free doesn't mean its any good. Forty years ago public education was
fine but as with all government programs wasteful spending, mismanagement and corruption has ruined it. I am glad you
did bring up the education system in this country EF, because that is exactly what our medical coverage will look like in 10
years, free for all, but useless, the citizens of HB will still be paying for the coverage in the same way they pay for Catholic
schools only their taxes will be much higher, it's already happening the England.
So now our Founding Fathers were liberals according to EF (liberals always re-write history) and I thought the
Revolutionary War was over taxation. Where did I ever get the expression "Taxation without Representation." The Boston
Tea Party must be a figment of my imagination. If our Founding Fathers were Liberals they would have given everyone a
farm and had Government workers harvest the crops for them. We just have a fundamental disagreement, you believe
those who contribute the least to society should get the most and I believe you should pay your dues to reap the fruits of
your labor. I do enjoy dialog EF,
keep up the good work.
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EF my point was that a liberal will lower a students grade if they disagree with them, however you missed the point and it
does not matter what college it was because it is happening all over campuses not just in New York this happened to be a
college in NJ which happens to be a very liberal state. The professor took it personal when I mentioned a few
conservative names and actually got very snotty with me so please do not tell me why I was given a lower grade when you
were not there to witness the entire situation. Thank you CBC you are correct I do not get enough money to help pay for
college however maybe if I said my last name was Gonzalez or Williams and came from another country I'd get a free ride all
through school because after all that is who the liberals believe should get the help not American students.
AS
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Gee CBC, get a life. The entire concept of a free public elementary and high school education for all Americans provided
by government was an outgrowth of liberalism on the part of the earliest radicals in our history. Our Founding Fathers
were the radicals and liberals of their time period. You view the word only from your own mindset and the connotations
you want to ascribe to it. Those liberals set in motion a march
towards progress through the provision of an entitlement, another word you only view from your own mindset and the
connotations you ascribe to it, of education for the masses, not just the priveleged. Liberal
thinkers in NY and other states and cities took the free education entitlement concept a step further through land grant
colleges, state colleges, and municipal colleges like CUNY where people could get college
educations at lesser cost because it is subsidized by tax dollars. Many of the other entitlements you, I, and every
other American consider to be our rights are ours because of all the liberal thinkers throughout our history from then until
now made them so. So my comment saying thank a liberal is somewhat akin to someone
saying if you can read this thank a teacher. Yes. Perhaps AS could have gone to Harvard if his or her parents had more
money derived by paying less taxes. I could have more money in my pocket too if I paid less taxes
for, as an example, a public transportation system I rarely use, but I do not begrudge that it is provided for all to use if they
wish. EF
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You are wrong CBC, college professors should share their knowledge with all students for free for the betterment of
earth's citizens. LP
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Now you are defending American hater Michael Moore, how low will you go EF. JB
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CBC...EF you have it wrong I think you should thank the parents of AS for paying their taxes all these years so those that
never pay tax including illegal immigrates will have a better chance then AS of getting in. If in fact AS does attend a CUNY
school with the money the parents paid in taxes AS could have attended Harvard. Thank you Liberals! I think the liberal
college professors should put their money where their mouth are and give back half their pay so everyone can afford a
college of their choice.
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AS- If, as you said in your post, the position that your professor took was that Michael Moore was a good writer and your
position was that Moore was not a good writer because he is ludicrous and obnoxious, then
your professor would have a basis for lowering your grade. Perhaps it was the way you tried to make your point rather than
the point you were trying to make that was not up to college level standards of academic
arguement. It is perfectly possible for someone to be a good writer while at the same time presenting opinions that
someone else might find to be ludicrous opinions expressed obnoxiously. The fact that what Moore
has written has generated controversy is an indication that others have read his work and reacted to it, whether the
reaction has been pro or con his opinions. That would indicate that Moore has accomplished any
good writer's goal, which is to get others to read and understand a message. You did not say what college it as where this
incident took place. If it was any of the branches of CUNY, thank a liberal today for that
entitlement you have as a New Yorker to have an opportunity for higher education at a more reasonable cost than at
private institutions. EF
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Hey JD while you were in diapers I was in Nam so don't tell me about doing my part. There is no way you were in the
Marines, a Marine would never have made that post. VB
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EF you are in a state of denial, take a look at your post's, all of them are Democratic talking points, you could be Howard
Dean. ER
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July 23
Here is a fact the Dems and the media don't want you to know:
The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature
has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by
the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the
thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust,
but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling.
The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all
show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.
Read the entire paper here: Dr. David Evans AGB
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EF I am a college student and it is true that liberalism in spreading all over schools and indoctrinating young fresh minds, I
personally had an experience with a liberal professor who thought Michael Moore was a great writer and because I
expressed my opinion about how ludicrous and obnoxious he was she then gave me a lower grade on a paper that tied
into that discussion when in fact before that discussion she had claimed my paper was nearly perfect. She knew my strong
conservative views were not going to be weaken by her liberalism, one because I was a little older than the rest of the
class and two because I am a strong human being. The liberals are sneaky and have a subtle way of feeding young minds
their ideas they start by asking what the other persons opinion is and then slowly convincing them that the liberal opinion
is the right opinion. I have witnessed it first hand and unfortunately have heard this sort of thing from other conservative
students from other campuses. Liberals feed on young people because they are most influential and the proof is in the
pudding as the saying goes. Look at how many young people look up to Obama as if he were God, it is a scary thing but it is
true because Obama speaks out as being a great change and can convince young minds to anticipate his so called great
changes. It's a shame how in a history class I learn more about those who attack America in a positive manor no less rather
than America itself and it is sad as CBC said when children know more of Malcolm X than Thomas Jefferson.
AS
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VB- Get off your pompous high horse at the recruiting office and sign yourself or your kids up. Our all volunteer force can
use a few more good men and women. I did Iraq, 3 tours- not going back. It is your turn. Walk the walk or stuff the talk up
your A-- JD USMC ret
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CBC- You are quite mistaken with your statement that you know I could never post any Democratic negatives. Polish your
crystal ball, cuz it is giving you misinformation. I could if I chose to. As I said, I choose
not to. You have your other posters doing that ad nauseum. It might be sad if the Democratic Party spoke for me, but since
I speak for myself the fact that you think it is sad is immaterial. If your children know more about Malcolm X than they do
about Thomas Jefferson then they probably never read the full content of whatever
textbooks they have had throughout the course of their educations.Hopefully you expressed your concern about the
content area instructional failings you discerned with their teachers, school administrators, and
school board and further took action to provide your children with abundant reading material with content on topics you
desired them to learn more about. Brain-washing and social engineering are more of your
over-generalizations. Good parenting trumps both concepts in the context of education. The NY State Social Studies
curriculum is a public document, which applies to NYC although the city may supplement it. You can locate
it with a simple web search using the search terms NY State,Social Studies curriculum. If the schools your children attend
are doing a poor job of implementing it, have at the principal and teachers, not those big bad Democrats. If you want them
to learn more on Jefferson, one good avenue for exploration is his views on
urbanism. Apropos since you, and I assume, your children, live in an urban area. EF
The Democrats behavior has been deplorable since the Iraq war started, they have undermined our troops calling them
terrorist and aided our enemies. Lose the war and get our troops killed just to win an election, it's treason. LP
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How about creating generations of welfare through their entitlement's, all that does is to assure people will be dependant
on government aid and never get out of poverty. ER
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We can start the negatives in the 90's with cutting defense and intelligence funding while Al Qaeda was bombing us all
over the world and at the WTC in 93. PC
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July 22
CBC....EF I knew you could never post any Democratic negatives, you exposed yourself for what you are. You don't think
for yourself, the Democratic party speaks for you and that is sad. You must be living in a cave for last 20 years if you
haven't noticed the changed in curriculum, my kids know more about Malcolm X then Thomas Jefferson. The brainwashing
and social engineering started in the early 80's and has accelerated since, talk to any college student, but it starts in grade
school. The game that you and the Dems play by expanding the meaning of the word racism to include any white making a
derogatory remark about a black doesn't work here, we are all wise to that game. Since ER can't post any Democratic
negatives perhaps some one else would like to do so.
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Here CBC, what I consider Republican negatives: Their immigration policy, too much spending, Harriet Myers, Dubai Port
Issue, their inability to fight the Liberal Democrats trying to destroy our great country. I put my country first not my party EF.
MC
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JD, thank God people like you didn't exist in 1940, we would all be speaking German. This is a volunteer Army and it will
remain that way thanks to our brave men and women. This is world war, at this time the conflict is on two fronts, in he
future it may expand. We will fight them wherever they are. Maybe we should wait for them to come here this way we can
check Crossbay Blvd. for roadside bombs every morning. Vietnam ended in the 70's. VB
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July 21
VB- Got your kids ready to fight this 2 front war? Or is it just somebody else's kids who get to go back tour after tour. The
draft will be back before this mess is over. The armed forces can barely make thier quotas of volunteers now. JD
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NM- Why is what called faith? Are you confusing a comment about a religion teacher expressing a theory as disputatious to
an article of faith within Catholicism? Within the context of the 21st Century, early
Christians were probably viewed by many in the same manner as people today view what we consider to be cults. That
Christianity is not a cult does not alter the historical context of how it was viewed at its inception
by some. Why in the world would I want to post something derogatory about Islam? If I believe it is wrong for someone to
say or write something derogatory about my religion, it would be wrong of me to do the
same. Two wrongs do not make right. By the way, I can and do make the distinction between one of great religions of the
world and some of its followers who have perverted the teachings of their religion to suit a
despicable political cause.
ER- I compared the reprehensible views of Rev. Hagee to the reprehensible views of Rev. Wright. Nothing liberal or
conservative about that. Both men hold views that are anathema to me. Obama did not repudiate
Wright until he became a political liability and McCain did not repudiate Hagee until he was a political liability. I expressed
no opinion as to whether one cleric was a bigger liability than the other. As for you
speaking the truth and not spinning for Democrats, you speak your version of the truth and you spin for Republicans. I
speak mine. Democracyis a wonderful thing! Judging by the reactions, I struck a nerve among
the rabid ranters. SP
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To CBC- You have restated that you will not let anyone play the race card, but that is dissembling to say the least. You
allow the playing of versions of the race card that you agree with because you do not consider
those versions to be racist. The ideas being commented on may not be racist per se, but often the verbiage used to
express them is. It is entirely possible to address the issue of reverse racism without racist
and/or racially charged rhetoric.You say I should take a look at the curriculum in our schools. That
means you want me to look at which part? Schools have a broad curricula covering a myriad of subjects. Which level of
schools do you want me to look at, what particular subjects, and which schools: public, private or
both? What you are apparently trying to express is that you believe there are some things being taught that you disagree
with. Guess what? So do I. Perception is in the eye of the perceiver. It is an over generalization to say that a student who
disagrees with a professor will probably fail a class. To say that students can no longer evaluate information is also an
over generalization, not to mention disrespectful to many hard working students who have learned quite well how to
evaluate what they see, hear, and read. Any student can evaluate information if they have mastered the skills of critical
reading and critical thinking and are able to do basic research.You may like for me to post the Democratic failings and for
MC to post those of Republicanism, but that is not a tit for tat game that I am going to play. I speak for myself, not the
Democratic Party. There is both good and bad within the viewpoints of both parties. Anyone who cannot recognize that is,
in my view, a hide-bound ideogogue. EF
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Some regurgitation of some ideas of another. Please note, I have no idea whether Parrot is a Democrat of a Republican, I
do know that he is an economist and this material is clipped from a non partisan site. He
does raise some points to consider The City Economy: Facing the Nation's Woes by James Parrott, 21 Jul
2008. “If there were any doubts about the severity of the nation's economic ills, the financial panic engulfing mortgage
giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac quickly dispelled them last week. As with the mid-March
failure of Bear Stearns and its takeover by J.P. Morgan Chase, overnight our economic "leaders" pledged billions of
taxpayers' dollars to avert an even greater financial calamity. Once again, the average person is
reminded that in our "free enterprise" financial system, profits getprivatized while losses get socialized.
To view the remainder of EF's post click here
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I love the way these libs like EF love to call whites racists but never have the balls to call a black racist, they even defend
the very racist Rev Wright. What a disgrace they are. PM
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That is a great article you posted above, it says it all. The Dems have to allow us to drill, people cannot survive these high
energy costs Obama as usual is on the wrong side of economic recovery. Increasing taxes will only cause more suffering.
RR
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CBC....We have been quiet lately, just letting the dialog flow without getting involved in the discussions. As we stated from
the beginning we will not let anyone play the race card and that includes EF. Many posts here do address racism EF but
they address reverse racism, they just want a level playing field and no more double standards for blacks and whites. It is
a fact in this country today that blacks can say and do just about anything they want without any repercussions, whites
have a right to speak out and to call them racist for it is ridiculous, you should know better EF. Education in this country
died in the 70's, today its a slow indoctrination of liberal ideology, take a look at the curriculum in our schools. If a student
disagrees with a professor they most likely will fail that class, they can no longer evaluate information as you refer too. I
would like you to post the Democratic failings you refer to and MC can post the Republican failings.
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MC- A lot of what I read here is just the regurgitation of neocon ideology mixed together with plain old racism. EG may be
a kid and just regurgitating as well. If as you say, EG is a kid, my answer would be so what, regurgitate is what kids do.
Eventually, if they get educated, they learn to evaluate information. However, no one can evaluate information they never
listen to. That is why professors often present viewpoints kids may not be familiar with. It is called education. When people
get educated they then have the skills to do their own thinking and do not have to just regurgitate.True Conservatives like
Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley figuratively are rolling over in their graves these days. What this country has seen
in the last decade is not Conservatism, it has been neocon nonsense that has brought our country to the brink of disaster.
Before he died, Buckley took issue with many Bush administration policies, does that make him a liberal or a Marxist? You
have not been listening to my ideology for years. Just like EG, I am one person expressing my opinions. If you desire to
hold me accountable for every failing of the Democratic Party viewpoint on issues, then the obverse would be that you
then are accountable for every failing of the Republican Party viewpoint onissues. EF
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Some one should teach Obama history, this country can fight wars on many fronts. We have the most moble force in the
world and where ever our troops are needed they will be deployed. We have the greatest force in the world Obama so
give us some credit, we can fight in Iraq and Afgahnistan at the same time. VB
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That video of the view is very disturbing, again it shows an example of how the black community will not let go of
something that happened so many years ago. Why did Whoopi feel the need to mention about her mother not being able to
vote, things have long changed since then and if anything white people are losing their freedom, I agree with Elizabeth
why is it ok for black people to use the "N" word if they are the ones always bringing up the race issue. They claim they
want to be equal well then they should not be allowed to use that term in any way either. It is disturbing that Barbara
Walters is sticking up for Obama, Americans have their views all mixed up these days. In response to the Thomas
Jefferson comment, our founders based our constitution on God our money and our court houses say in God we trust our
schools say the pledge of allegiance which states one nation under God and though religion is not allowed to be taught in
public schools. However, I do have a problem when the libs are constantly trying to take it out of the Catholic schools as
well! The libs and dems take our history and twist it into what they want it to mean. It is not fair when Muslims are allowed
to worship their God and Catholics are not. The government caters to every other country race and culture and they let
the American people suffer.
AS
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The Democrats created this sub-prime mortgage mess with their social engineering policies. They mandate banks to make
these risky loans mostly to minorities and then they are outraged when the banks fail. Congress needs an investigation
into their own policies. AGB
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That article on the home page is a real eye opener, just imagine paying over 50% of your earnings to the government, what
has this country become. Obama mus be stopped, this is not a dictatorship where the government can just dictate how
much they will take from its citizens. FR
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SP thats why it is called FAITH, obvisously something you know nothing about. Try posting something derogatory about
Islam then post your address and see what happens. NM
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See thats the problem with the libs, they twist the truth. To attempt to compare John Hagee to Rev. Wright is ludicrous.
John McCain did not belong to Hagee's church for 20 years as Obama did. Hagee endorsed McCain and McCain did know
him but never gave him a position on his campaign as Obama did for Wright. Nice try SP but it won't work here, we speak
the truth here and do not spin for the Democrats, try posting some facts next time. ER
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July 20
Hey EG take a ride to Charles Park today, you will see only a handful of HB residents. DB
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EF, you are siding with a kid who cannot think for himself and can only regurgitate his liberal professors opinions, that is
what EG is all about. We have been listening to your ideology for years and it is now proven not to work. We will not sit
quietly any longer as your Democrats and Liberals ruin our once great country. MC
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Watching Obama meeting Afghanistan officials it's impossible to determine who is the US presidentcial candidate and who
is an Afghan. RR
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John Hagee endorsed McCain. Took McCain awhile to distance himself from Hagee and his anti-Catholic rants. Sounds like
the insults from MC about the comments of EG prove the point made by EF about freedom of
expression. Aside from Hagee there are other supposedly Christian religious leaders out there in the evangelical right
who hold and voice anti-Catholic sentiments. Their views are just as despicable as the views of
Jeremiah Wright are. Two thousand years ago followers of Jesus were not the norm and by the terminology of today were
probably regarded as a dangerous cult. My High School religion teacher made the point that
perhaps the crucifixion had more to do with a perceived threat to the Roman Empire than it did with the religious beliefs of
the first Christians.That is one theory. The teacher was challenging young people to think
and consider ideas. Expressing a theory does not mean that a person
accepts it as totally true. SP
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July 19
Obama goes to war zone for a photo op, what a disgrace. Sets his policy before he speaks to the generals, I guess he
thinks he knows more then the generals. LP
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What are you talking about EG we have been complaining about the conditions at Charles Park for years, you just don't
know what you are talking about. SR
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EG- Some of the more rabid Republicans who post here do not realize there is plenty of room among Democrats for
differences of opinion in our party. They think all Democrats are as locked in to ideology as
Republicans are. They equate all Democrats as being ultra-liberal when in actuality most Democrats are middle of the road
pragmatists and that here in Howard Beach most hold some fairly conservative views on some
issues. Some who post here also seem to be of the opinion that freedom to express opinions includes freedom to insult
those they disagree
with. EF
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Hey EG you are a farce, you were told in HS that HB residents went into Charles Park and set fires, do you always accept as
fact something you are told, you didn't see it so you should not regurgitate it as fact and furthermore I don't believe for
one minute that your Catholic School teacher told you the Catholic religion is an ancient cult, I think thats what you think
for you are nothing more then a lier. Typical Lib! MC
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EG your correct in 1776 it was not the Democrats who decided there should not be religion in schools but since then they
have attack religion especially Catholics every chance they get. It is not the Republicans objecting every time God is
mentioned it is the Democrats and their friends at the ACLU. The Democratic socialist agenda has no room for religion they
want people to worship the government. EC
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July 18
I have not had time to come back to see if my last letter was printed until today, and I am glad to see that it was. Now, I will
take the time to respond to some of the replies that I have received. First of all, I have not created anything. I am one
person, not the entire Democratic party. I am sure that there have been many proposals that the democrats have made
with which I do not agree. For instance, former governor Spitzer's plan to give illegal immigrants special drivers'
licences. Illegal immigrants have no business being in this country, and so they should not be given special licences. I
am equally sure that some of you disagree with certain policies put forth by the Republican party. Second, it was not the
democrats who decided that there should not be religion in public schools. Because public schools are under the control
of the government, religion cannot be taught in public school. That was decided by Thomas Jefferson, who in today's
society would be a Republican! The government has no say in what happens in private schools; they do not answer to the
government, which is why catholic school teachers make very little money compared to their public school counterparts.
(BTW I went to catholic school for 8 years, and I was told by my religion teacher that the Catholic Church is an ancient cult.)
As for Charles Park, when I was in high school, I was told about HB residents that went into the park (which only reopened
in 2000) and set fires, so it does not matter who comes into the park now; the destruction was started by rebellious HB
teens. The government goes into parks to fix them up in the order in which they receive complaints. There are many
public parks in extremely disreputable conditions that have been waiting to be fixed since before Charles Park was fixed
in 2000, meaning that it needs to wait its turn. Be patient, and teach your children not to be so destructive, and eventually
the park will be fixed again.
E.G.
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This is from The Middle East Intelligence Bulletin prior to 9/11 http://www.meib.org/articles/0104_irb.htm#irb3 No link
between Iraq and Bin Laden? Read this:
Al-Watan al-Arabi (Paris) reports that two Iraqis were arrested in Germany, charged with spying for Baghdad. The arrests
came in the wake of reports that Iraq was reorganizing the external branches of its intelligence service and that it had
drawn up a plan to strike at US interests around the world through a network of alliances with extremist fundamentalist
parties.
The most serious report contained information that Iraq and Osama bin Ladin were working together. German authorities
were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German
cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic
groups linked to bin Ladin. They discovered the two Iraqi agents by chance and uncovered what they considered to be
serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin. The matter was considered so important that a special team
of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies. AGB
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The speculators took profits on their oil positions causing prices to tumble, once the price gets low enough they will go
long again. VB
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Pelolsi reiterated NO DRILLING yesterday, let them it cake. Great leadership Nancy, just let the country suffer. CB
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Why isn't Rangle brought up on changes for illegally having an office in a rent control building. LP
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Just blame America: "When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their
babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to
legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn't working, and we need to change it." —Barack Obama AGB
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July 17
Bush lifts ban on off shore drilling and crude drops more then $10.00, Coincidence? VB
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All three news network anchors and 200 reporters traveling with Obama to the Iraq. When McCain went to Iraq there were
no anchors and less then 20 reporters. Fair and Balanced? I think not. SR
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If we take that Democratic argument, why drill it will take ten years to reap the benefits, then I say why reduce my carbon
footprint it will take 30 years to reap the benefits. JF
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July 16
Addabbo only comes out of his hole once a year when it benefits his own political agenda. A Ground Hog shows his face
more than him. Don't trust or count on him. He hides when we need him the most. He goes around trying to gather votes in
all these other neighborhoods, when the people in his own won't even vote for him. There's more flip-flopping on
Addabbo's Tour Bus than Van Halen's Tour Bus changes lead singers. Lets vote for the incumbent, at least he's consistent,
experienced, and dependable. PM
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The Obama and the Democrats say it will take 7 to 10 years to get the oil out even if we started now, I doubt that, their
argument favors alternative energy that we don't even have the technology to develop at this point and may take 50 years
to come online. If Clinton didn't veto the bill in 1995 we would not be in this situation. I guess the Dems just want us to
suffer for the next 50 years so we can become a third world country. FR
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You can conserve all you want DF but China and India will only continue to burn more fossil fuels. Each day in China 25,000
cars are added. There is nothing wrong with conservation and we all should do it to a point but it will do no good. NM
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July 15
Conserving energy is the only way out. We have to learn to change our life style before we destroy the planet. DF
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We have more oil then the Middle East and we cannot drill for it, the environmental wackos, the Democrats and the
lobbyist will not let us, how could so few people have so much power over the masses. I think they are hoping gas goes up
to $12.00. FR
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Just because it is old doesn't mean it isn't true. It's all true look at everything going on our great country is being ruined
and it is the Dems that are doing it. They are the ones raising prices and taxing everything. They help those against
America and let the American people suffer. I fear the outcome in November.
AS
July 13
CBC...Just to illustrate the damage that Biofuels have done, we have a client who sells West Indian food products online,
they called today to increase the price of the items we have online for them. A 50 LB bag of rice went from $22.50 to $54.00
and a bag of mints from $1.25 to $2.50. Its getting scary!
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Thats very interesting AS, the Democrats want us in the dependence to bondage stage. All the programs they want to
implement just shows where they are coming from. They will use global warming and energy to increase dependency on
the government. Vote all of them out, the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils so I will take my chances with them
and pray. EC
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CBC...Bush lifts ban on offshore drilling, now its up to Congress.
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Who cares how old it is, it's still true and this country better wake up soon. NM
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AS- That is an old myth piece that was debunked years ago when it showed up on email pass a-longs. It has been quoted
and misquoted as far back as the 1950s. Google it. EF
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From Snopes:
The Fall of the Athenian Republic
Claim: Law professor demonstrates that the results of the 2000
presidential election correspond to an 18th century historian's prediction of
conditions accompanying the downfall of democracy.
Status: Multiple — see below.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]
According to Snopes the piece posted by AS has been circulating on the
Internet since shortly after the November 2000 presidential election.
This is what Snopes has to say about it.
"We haven't examined it ourselves yet, but Mike Powell of Kennewick,
Washington, was kind enough to send us his analysis, which we're happy to
include here.
1. The population of the counties and square miles of area won by each
Bush and Gore appear to be accurate. They are consistent with the
election-result map published by USA Today on 20 November 2000.
2. The number of states won by each candidate is wrong, but the numbers
given (29 and 19) imply this piece was written before the results of
the Florida and New Mexico vote-counts were determined. The final
tallies were 30 states for Bush and 20 for Gore.
3. The quote from "Alexander Tyler" is very likely fictitious. His name
was actually "Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser Tytler," and he was
a Scottish historian/professor who wrote several books in the late
1700s and early 1800s.
However, there is no record of The Fall of the Athenian Republic or The
Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic in the Library of Congress,
which has several other titles by Tytler. This quote has also been
cited as being from Tytler's Universal History or from his Elements of
General History, Ancient and Modern, books that do exist. These books seem
the most likely source of the quote, as they contain extensive
discussions of the political systems in historic civilizations, including
Athens. Universal History was published after, and based upon, Elements of
General History, which was a collection of Professor Tytler's lecture
notes.
Tytler's book, Universal history, from the creation of the world to the
beginning of the eighteenth century, is available for viewing and
searching on-line. The complete text was searched for each of the following
phrases:
Athenian Republic
democracy
generous gifts
public treasury
loose fiscal
fiscal
bondage
200 years
two hundred years
spiritual faith
In no case was text identified that was remotely similar in words or
intent to the alleged Tytler quote.
4. Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University is not the source of
any of the statistics or the text attributed to him. Professor Olson was
contacted (by me) via e-mail, and he confirmed that he had no
authorship or involvement in this matter. And, as Fayette Citizen editor Dave
Hamrick wrote back in January 2001:
I really enjoyed one recent message that was circulated extremely
widely, at least among conservatives. It gave several interesting "facts"
supposedly compiled by statisticians and political scientists about the
counties across the nation that voted for George Bush and the ones that
voted for Al Gore in the recent election.
Supposedly, the people in the counties for Bush had more education,
more income, ad infinitum, than the counties for Gore.
I didn't have time to check them all out, but I was curious about one
item in particular... the contention that the murder rate in the Gore
counties was about a billion times higher than in the Bush counties.
This was attributed to a Professor Joseph Olson at the Hamline
University School of Law. I never heard of such a university, but went online
and found it. And Prof. Olson does exist.
"Now I'm getting somewhere," I thought.
But in response to my e-mail, Olson said the "research" was attributed
to him erroneously. He said it came from a Sheriff Jay Printz in
Montana. I e-mailed Sheriff Printz, and guess what? He didn't do the research
either, and didn't remember who had e-mailed it to him.
In other words, he got the same legend e-mailed to him and passed it on
to Olson without checking it out, and when Olson passed it on, someone
thought it sounded better if a law professor had done the research,
and so it grew.
Who knows where it originally came from, but it's just not true.
5. The county-by-county murder-rate comparison presented in this piece
is wrong.
According to the U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ), in the year 2000 the
national murder rate was about 5.5 per 100,000 residents. Homicide
data by county for 1999 and 2000 can be downloaded from the National
Archive of Criminal Justice Data (NAJCD), and the counties won by Gore and
Bush can be identified using the county-by-county election results made
available by CNN. (The NACJD provides not only the number of reported
murders for each county, but also the population for each.) The average
murder rate in the counties won by Gore vs. the rate in the counties
won by Bush can be determined from this data.
By calculating the murder rate for each county and then taking the
averages, we find a murder rate (defined as number of murders per 100,000
residents) of about 5.2 for the "average" Gore county and 3.3 for the
average Bush county. But since people, rather than counties, commit
murders, a more appropriate approach is to calculate the total number of
murders in the counties won by each candidate and divide that figure by
the total number of residents in those counties. This more appropriate
method yields the following average murder rates in counties won by each
candidate:
Gore: 6.5
Bush: 4.1
There is a distinct difference between these two numbers, but it is
nowhere near as large as the quoted e-mail message states (i.e., 13.2 for
Gore vs. 2.1 for Bush). Note that the average of these two figures is
5.3, which, as expected, is very close to the reported national murder
rate of 5.5.â€
Last updated by Snopes: 3 April 2008
The URL for this information is:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
SP
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I got this in an email and thought I'd share it, very interesting.
AS
Been around before, but good reminder - scary but oh so true
Think hard about your November vote.
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?
>>
>> This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad
>> thing about it, you can see it coming.
>> I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to
>> see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
>> How Long Do We Have?
>> About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
>> constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
>> the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
>> Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
>> 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
>> permanent form of government.'
>> 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
>> discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
>> treasury.'
>> '>From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
>> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
>> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which
>> is always followed by a dictatorship.'
>> 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
> of history, has been about 200 years'
>> 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
>> following sequence:
>> 1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
>> 2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
>> 3. from courage to liberty;
>> 4. from liberty to abundance;
>> 5. from abundance to complacency;
>> 6.. from complacency to apathy;
>> 7. from apathy to dependence;
>> 8. from dependence back into bondage'
>> Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
>> Minnesota , points out some inter e sting facts concerning the 2000
>> Presidential election:
>> Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
>> Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
>> Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143
>> million
>> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2
>> Republicans: 2.1
>> Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
>> won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great
>> country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
>> government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
>> welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
>> 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
>> democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
>> having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.
>> If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
>> invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
>> USA in fewer than five years.
>> If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If
>> you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much
>> is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
>>WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
>>ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
AS
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I wonder if Addabbo's bus tour got caught up in the same man-made traffic jam on Crossbay this weekend? Just do nothing
about it Joe. WB
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Is anyone from the area playing in the Sean Bell baseball league? RR
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Ok wow this pissed me off greatly we should all have to learn Spanish? Are you kidding me? This guy is an idiot! He tries to
justify learning Spanish by using the example Europeans speak English well, everyone wants to come to America so yea
they should know English and if we all have to learn Spanish we should learn other languages too, why just Spanish?
When American born people can't even get a job because we have to speak other languages that is just ridiculous! LEARN
ENGLISH THIS IS AMERICA like the saying goes "When in Rome do as the Romans."
AS
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July 13
I also got caught up in the man made traffic jam on Crossbay, let's just waste gas and money every weekend while no one
addresses the problem. NM
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Weiner and Meeks should visit Charles Park on the weekend and see all the minorities enjoying themselves, then they
would find the funds to repair the park, they only think the residents of HB use the park. SR
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Schumer sticks his nose where it don't belong and causes a run on the bank. Good job Chuck! JB
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July 12
CBC....Bobby Murcer dies.....God Bless You Bobby
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It's no wonder Congress is at an all time low, in the two years since they took control look what has happened to our
country. EC
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Just got caught in a man made traffic jam on Crossbay, when are our local politicians going to get off their asses and DO
SOMETHING!!! WB
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Now the phony Democratic Congressmen Charles Rangel gets caught in rent control apartments, what a hypocrite! ER
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July 11
Thats all we wanted AS, you are 100% correct. LP
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July 10
CBC....Congressional approval rating now at all time low at 9% I wonder why.
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Wow everyone gets their hate crime charge except people in Howard Beach that in itself is racist against our community.
We need to rally, seriously we are getting walked all over. The situation with the parks, the Halloween incident, the
fireworks all this is one sided to show Howard Beach that they will not stand for anything we may do that they see as
wrong, but they are allowing anyone and everyone to harm us and they don't want to give us the same protection they
would another community. We are both prisoners and victims in our own neighborhood.
AS
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Obama and his crew of liberals hate this country and want to change it, this is the change he talks about, that is why he
blames America for everything. This is socialist change that we do not want and must oppose or else we will become
strangers in our own country. SR
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This country better wake up soon, this Obama must not become President, our country is fighting for our very survival and
his politics will end this great country as we know it, every speech he makes he blames America for everything that is
wrong, well he is wrong on just about everything!!! PG
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CBC........From Obama yesterday:: instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they'll learn English, you
need to make sure your child can speak Spanish." He just doesn't understand that having a common language unifies our
country, we must be able to communicate with our neighbors and co-workers, ENGLISH ONLY. Immigrates have to
assimilate and that starts with learning English.
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That's what should have happen in HB, they should have been immediately charged with a hate crime as they did with this
case. Double standard at work, thats why the community was outraged. JB
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July 9
There was no night game at Centerville either on the 4th CBC. JF
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CBC.....The article above was posted because all of the assailants were immediately charged with a hate crime based on
eyewitness accounts, there were no line-ups or lengthy investigations. That is what we needed in the Halloween attacks,
at this time we do not know if the assailants were white or black. I guess the DA finds transgender women more believable
then our kids.
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July 8
CBC..........106 PCT Community Council meeting tomorrow night @ 8 PM
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Here is why we don't want terrorist in our courts, Italy released one of the Achille Lauro murders this week, he is now free
to kill again, Leon Klinghoffer must be turning over in his grave. AGB
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That's why we have to close the borders and keep them out of our country, this is not 1920. People are coming here to do
us harm and we are welcoming them with open arms. It must stop now!!! EC
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July 7
That article posted above on terrorism is scary, I suggest everyone read it. NM
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I am a life long Democrat and I will never vote Democratic again. In 2006 the Democrats took over Congress vowing to end
the war and lower gas prices. They talk and do nothing, with the economy going down the tubes they still will not let us
drill. This country cannot continue at this rate, when we want them to get involved they do nothing, what a disgrace they
are. The Republicans are not much better. BR
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CBC.....Starting this week in California a Global Warming rating system for new cars, I could see a tax coming for lower
ranked cars. Get ready
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You are right AGB, now they are aiming at the average American, they care more about the Caribou then working people
struggling. EC
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It seems a new 4th of July tradition is emerging, after the Bar-B-Q a shooting. Shootings in Bed Sty and East New York on
the 4th. When will it stop. RD
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Never have I seen a quieter 4th of July weekend, traffic was light and not many B-Q's, I guess people don't have the
money. FR
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July 6
CBC,,,,,Biofuels have forced global food prices up by 75% - far more than previously estimated - according to a confidential
World Bank report. Nice work, Al Gore. And a shout-out to the Nobel Prize committee, for giving the peace prize to a man
who has helped starve the world's poorest people
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The cops don't have Gotti anymore so they raid HB every 4th. Driving through Brooklyn on the 4th fireworks were
everywhere, I guess it's OK for minorities to celebrate our Independence with fireworks but not those of us born here. RB
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The salmonella outbreak looks as though it came from salsa not tomatoes. We said weeks ago to check in Mexico. SR
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July 5
President Bush was heckled as he was welcoming new US citizens on the 4th, It's a shame that a few self-centered goons
thought it was their job to interject themselves into what should have been a pleasant and memorable occasion for the
new US citizens. But that is so typical of the left. They call the right mean spirited but it seems that they are the ones who
refer to the President as a Nazi or murderer. It is they who make it their job to disrupt official ceremonies and events. They
are the ones who seem to foster the hatred. AGB
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Next year we all have to go to Ozone Park, no one bothers them, fireworks were going off til 1 AM. SB
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Never seen so many cops cars in old Howard, now lets keep them there to protect us. ER
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CBC...Quietest 4th ever in HB. Couldn't even play a night game at Charles Park. Most won't know what that means but a few
will appreciate it.
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Cops all over HB giving tickets and taking fireworks. JA
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Happy 4th to all and remember the troops!! JB
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July 4
CBC.....Happy 4th of July to all!
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July 3
CBC....... Driving around the neighborhood I have noticed the lack of 4th of July decorations. After 9/11 it seemed as every
house had patriotic decorations on display. I guess the mind set of our country is no longer to be patriotic. Every day for
the last 8 months we are being told how bad our country is has taken it's toll on the psyche of our nation. What a shame
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Now we know why we haven't heard from Sharpton in the last couple of weeks, the city is giving them all hush money.
More extortion money for Al. NM
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Bell's fiancee doesn't deserve a dime, even if the city was at fault (which they were not) his parents should get the
settlement not her. JR
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We continue to hear shootings of young teen-agers at all hours of the night yet the parents are never held accountable, 13
year-olds should not be rooming the streets at 3 AM. Arrest the parents for neglecting their children. DM
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A-Rod would be better off with Christie Brinkley then Madonna. BF
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What an outrage, the City wants to settle with Bell's fiancee. It was proven the cops acted appropriately yet the city wants
to give out our tax money. What a disgrace! SR
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How come the cops bust everyone in HB for fireworks but on Chinese New Year they allow fireworks? Seems like another
double standard. RR
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July 1
I don't know what you people are complaining about, look around Howard Beach, the houses are beautiful and even now
there is many renovations going on. The middle class can't be doing that badly. DC
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Same hold true today....."It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest
way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to
achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus." —John F. Kennedy AGB
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Now our silly Bio-fuels are causing milk to go up, it never stops. RR
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June 30
This is why I like this site, you get information pertinent to our area, keep it up CBC, CF
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All representatives of Congress should be forced to disclose their pork projects. No surprise both are Republicans.
Fossella asked for 10 million for the re[air of two parks. How about us Weiner and Meeks, show us your pork! JB
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City council should be abolished, how they spend our money is criminal. Give the tax break to the middle class. JB
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The above article is just another example of redistribution of wealth which goes on in this country, why would anyone
allocate funding for something like this. Mind boggling. LP
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Hey MC, The facts you cite support my point. Since 1960 would be 48 years. During that time the lifestyle and quality of life
have steadily improved. However, that trend has been reversing. I did not forget welfare. I did not include it as I was
making the point that things like Social Security were also entitlements. Given the rate of savings these days, it is doubtful
that all people would put what is taken out of their checks for Social Security in the bank and leave it there or invest it
wisely. You and I might, but many would not. As an entitlement,
Social Security is going to have to change in the future. The next few years with all the baby boomers at or approaching
retirement will test the solvency of that system. There will be differences of opinion as to how
to solve the problems. Calling names just clouds issues. Democrat does not equal Socialist anymore than Republican
equals Fascist. I believe when I indicated support for increasing the tax burden on the top 1 percent of taxpayers, I was
indicating support for reducing the tax burden on the middle class. We agree on the
issue, but apparently disagree on the solution. That is why we have elections in this country. People will determine which
of the candidate offers solutions they agree with most or disagree with least. To RR and
ER, I am not an ideologue. Socialism as set forth in the Communist Manifesto is a provenly failed ideology based on false
premises. Capitalismis far more to my liking. EF
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If Barron is protesting foreclosures that shows everyone that blacks are mainly effected, he would never get involved with
anything effecting white people. DC
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That article above infuriates me, we don't have to spend money to have minorities in the Fire Department, let them take
the test. Our own councilmen should have to justify as to why they voted for this. Lets asked Joe Addabbo to get $300,000
to get more Italians on the force, then we can spend the money to fix up our parks. This is why you don't want government
to run anything other than the bare necessities. SR
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June 29
Hey EF chew on some real facts: Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143 percent, life expectancy has
increased by seven years, infant mortality has declined 74 percent, deaths from heart disease have been halved,
childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, air and water
pollution have been drastically reduced, the number of women earning a bachelor's degree has more than doubled, the
rate of homeownership has increased 10.2 percent, the size of the average American home has doubled, the percentage
of homes with air conditioning has risen from 12 to 77, the portion of Americans who own shares of stock has quintupled.
And that is only a few, now tell us how bad our country is. Missing from your entitlement list is welfare, did you forget that
one. SS is a ponsey scheme and you know, if we just put the money taken out of our checks each week for SS in the bank
we would all be millionaires. No one in this country is against helping someone get back on their feet, but it is TEMPORARY
not generation after generation on public assistance, years ago people were embarrassed to be on public assistance, now
they brag about it. Every one of your post has echoed the Democratic talking points of socialism, not once have you
mentioned the real reason why some people are in debt, we are OVER TAXED. The reason why we are over taxed is
because productive members of sociality are being asked to support the non-productive members to a much larger extent
then 35 years ago. If you are really sincere about the middle class then lets start reducing the tax burden on them. MC
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MC- Learn to read more carefully. What I wrote was that over the course of the last 50 years we have had a growing middle
class. That is a different statement than 50 years ago we had one. I have not mentioned
entitlements at all. I wrote about accumulating wealth instead of debt. I wrote about the foreclosure problem. I wrote
nothing regarding bailouts. I wrote about the tax structure and the ramifications it has on
the middle class. I did not write anything about the issues of the poor. Therefore, you have no basis in fact for any
assumptions you have in regard to my views on entitlements, bailouts, or the poor. Apparently
you get your jollies by jumping to erroneous conclusions and making blanket statements. Yes, our standard of living has
improved, but toda many middle class people are paying to maintain it by accumulating debt.
That you equate that to my cherishing a socialist society is absurd. Money does make money. Unfortuately, more and more
of the middle class have less and less of it to put to work.
Stick to writing what you think and stop trying to tell me what I think or cherish. If you want to comment on entitlements,
then try defining what you are talking about. Social Security and Medicare are 2 prime
examples of government entitlement programs; are you saying they doom people to a life of poverty? Without Medicare
most seniors could not afford to pay for healthcare. Many cannot afford it even with Medicare. By
the way, many seniors are not of the opinion that the Republican tweaking to Medicare with the creation of Part D helped
their situations. Government disability insurance on both the federal and state levels are
entitlements. Every child in this country is entitled to a elementary and high school education, it is an entitlement.
Veterans have entitlements too. Do being paid something if a person is hurt on the job, getting
help with a mortgage if you are a veteran, or getting an education doom people to lives of poverty? Every 1 or 2
family owner occupied property in this city is entitled to a tax rebate,if you get one it is an entitlement. Are you giving yours
back because you are anti-entitlement? EF
This EF is some jerk, the government has to do everything and the there is no personal responsibly. We are all a product
of the decisions we have made in the past, stop blaming our government for your misfortunes EF, this is the land of
opportunity. ER
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Hey EF, your long winded posting are consistently filled with inaccuracies where are you getting your information from the
Communist Manifesto. The middle class struggles because we are over taxed and people like you favor increased
government and taxes to pay for your entitlement's. Just admit you are a socialist and stop trying be portray yourself as
someone else. We have freedom in this country unlike your socialist countries where you would be punished for speaking
out against the government. RR
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CBC......Racist City Council member Charles Barron held a foreclosure rally yesterday in East New York
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June 28
RR- Contrary to your opinion, I am not playing the class warfare game, poor against the rich. I am expressing the opinion
that the economic policies of our country as they have played out over the last decade or so, are contributing to the
decline of what most of us commonly refer to as the middle class. If you had any real understanding of socialism or
Marxism, you would know that the basic flaw in such theories was that
their basic principles dealt with two orders or classes of people, the rich owners and the workers or proletariats. Marx's
cause failed because a third order, or group of people, came to power and prosperity, especially in the U.S. That third
group was the middle class and it is the United States, our great country, where the middle class grew and flourished
most. In the years of the Great Depression there were some unsuccessful attempts to get socialism off the ground here.
They failed because our nation correctly implemented economic policies that allowed that middle class, a group Marx
referred to and basically dismissed as the petit-bourgeois, to grow steadily
in numbers and in prosperity over the following half century. Marx's entire fallacious theory was based on class struggle
and a difference in these classes forcing a revolution to be followed by an equality of all classes. In reality, the opposite
happened here. A prospering middle class trumps Marxism and socialism. What is happening now is that the prosperity of
the middle class is diminishing. I am not in support o fsocialist theories or policies, quite the opposite. You are free to
disagree but you are sadly in error to dismiss those who hold views
different from yours as being in support of socialism.
It is a fact that tens of millions of American families, middle class people with decent educations and respectable
occupations, are living on the edge of a financial cliff. Some of them are right here in our neighborhood. Some will hang
on, and others will plunge over. Families today are spending less on luxuries and more on the basics of being middle
class. Even with two people in the work force, the families of today trail those of a generation ago in the struggle to make
ends meet which is to pay for their homes, health insurance, transportation, and child
care. A generation ago, the one-income family committed about 54 percent of its pay to the basics of housing, health
insurance, transportation, and taxes. That is, the one-income family spent about half itsincome to make the nut, those the
basic expenses that must be paid even if someone gets sick or loses a job. Today, these basic expenses, including child
care so that both parents can work, consume 75 percent of the combined income of an average family. With 75 percent of
income earmarked for fixed expenses, a family has no real margin for error. The modern American family is walking on a
high wire without a net. If all goes well, they will make it across safely: their children will grow up and finish college, and
they will move on to retirement. But if anything, just about anything at all, goes wrong, they are in big, big trouble. You may
call advocating for the protection of the middle class way of life as advocating class warfare if you like,but that does not
make you correct. EF
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How could this guy even be considered for the presidency, he is a racist. I can't believe how far this country has sunk. PL
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June 27
CBC....Congress is spending us into a hole and doing nothing to help the average citizen cope with the high price of oil
and food. They created this mess. We hear about the cost of earmarks and the Iraq war. But what about 'entitlements'?
That's the government's term for programs that transfer money from people who earned it to people who didn't.
Entitlement? How can you be entitled to someone else's money. here's a quote from a former President:
"In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not
through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of
freedom."
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Climate change this week: Al's Big House
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) reported this week, "In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his
home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President's home energy use surged more than 10%." TCPR noted Al's
hypocritical use of energy before, and Gore shortly thereafter "scurried to make his home more energy-efficient."
Ironically, however, "Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more
efficient models, and overhauling the home's windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the
'green' overhaul." What are the numbers? Gore's mansion used 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity in the last year.
That's roughly enough to power 232 average U.S. homes for one month. The 17,768 kWh per month Gore uses now is 1,638
kWh more than before the renovations. The average home uses only 11,040 kWh per year. In the meantime, Big Al has
made some big bucks—TCPR notes that his wealth has grown by some $100 million because of speaking fees and global-
warming investments. Just remember: Do as he says not as he does. AGB
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When are you going to realize EF that government entitlement's only doom people to a life of poverty, depending on the
government for their very existence. It is no coincidence that 50 years ago we had a growing middle class because people
strived to better themselves, that incentive has been taken away by the government. The middle class is shinking
because our standard of living has improved and many middle class citizens move upward and are not replaced by the
lower class moving up. That is why EF's cherished socialist society fails every time, there is no incentive to improve. Like it
or not money makes money and we in HB all strive to give our families a better life, this is something you can't understand
because you look for government to solve all of your problems. MC
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Economic policies that allow more people to accumulate wealth are necessary. What we have now are policies that allow
the wealthy to continue getting wealthier and the rest of us to accumulate debt. That is a
major change for Americans. For more than half a century we had a society with a growing middle class. Today we have a
society with a diminishing middle class. EF
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EF is playing the class warfare game, poor against the rich. EF should remember the "well to do" in this country are not Al
Qaeta and most have work long and hard to get where they are, they contributed to making this country strong creating
jobs and advancing technology making life better for all of us. They decided to do something good for sociality and were
rewarded for their efforts, they could have decided to hang out doing drugs and drinking on government hand outs.
Doctors saving lives, working long hours and attending years of schooling should be rewarded not penalized for their
dedication wants to tax them more and redistribute it to the people hanging out not being a productive member of society,
EF why don't you just pay more taxes yourself if that is what you believe. Your socialist policies don't work, you don't
penalize the hard working people in this country, no matter how much they make. RR
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Is this jerk kidding, since when it is our responsibility to feed the world, we are the most generous nation on earth and
they want more from us. I guess he plans to increase our taxes to pay for this. NM
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June 26
Obama's Global Tax Bill Coming Soon, The Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433) is coming up for a Senate vote sometime
after the July 4. The bill is sponsored by Obama and will cost taxpayers 845 billion, he wants the UN to administer our
money, now we have to feed the entire world, global redistribution of wealth. This is what we have to look forward to with
Obama The bill states:"To require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United
States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and
the achievement of the [U.N.] Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide,
between 1990 and 2015. Don't we have enough of our own problems now. VB
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While I applaud your research on the tax structure and wealth in this country EF, the bottom line is Democrats raise taxes
and Republicans lower taxes. You may want to minimize the Bush tax cuts but a drop from 16.1 to 13.6 across the board is
huge. The more money in our pockets the better off we will all be. The fact is that if you and I make $150,000 a year and I am
in debt and you have considerable wealth the government will take out the same amount from our checks each week.
Thanks for the effort EF. MC
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It should be obvious to all that the Obama answer to terrorism is the same failed, after-the-fact defensive approach as the
Clinton administration's. The Bush administration's approach has been offensive - to get al Qaeda before the next 9/11.
The proof is in the fact that there have been no subsequent 9/11s here. How many cities will be dirty bombed because of
the Obama approach? GH
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The Supreme Court has overturned the D.C. handgun ban. The ruling is 5-4 with Justice Antonin Scalia writing the majority
opinion. The Court finds that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms. AGB
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MC- Republicans drink their own brand of koolaid. There was a reason I predicated my comments on taxes with some
comment on the definition of wealth. It is wealth, as defined by assets that exceed debt, which
really separates the truly rich from those of us considered by the government to be in the top 10 percent.
By examining how much we pay in taxes, who pays them and how our tax payments have changed in about the past 20
years we can all learn something. We can do this pretty easily, thanks to one of our tax-supported
government agencies, the Internal Revenue Service. Every year, it examines all the returns that are filed and analyzes
changes in the patterns of tax payments. The latest year for which the data are complete is
2005. The basic data are available in the imaginatively titled work, "Individual Income Tax Rates and Shares, 2005."
Historically, it's basically same-old, same-old. In 2005, people nationwide who paid income taxes collectively paid 13.6
percent of our income. Some paid more. Some paid less. But the average burden wasn't exactly
overwhelming. In fact, for all the drama about the Bush tax cuts, the reality is that nationwide the tax burden is about the
same today as it was before Bill Clinton was elected president.
The average tax rate was 13.86 percent in the seven years before Clinton. In 1992, US taxpayers paid taxes at an average
rate of 13.7 percent, about the same as we are now paying. During the eight years Clinton
was in office, the average tax rate rose from 14.1 percent in 1993 to 16.1 percent in 2000. In the Bush years since then, the
average tax rate has declined from 15.2 percent to 13.6 percent. Do you see high drama
here? Do you see huge change?
What is different is that now fewer people pay income taxes. In 1986,Americans filed 103 million federal income tax returns.
Of those, 84 million had to pay some taxes. That's 81.5 percent of all returns. By the
time Clinton took office, the percentage of filers paying taxes had declined to 75 percent. During the Bush years, the
percentage of filers who paid taxes continued to decline. It fell to 67.4 percent in 2005.
This is not a minor number. In 2005, about 134 million American households filed tax returns. Only 90 million of them paid
any taxes. Though the number of households filing returns rose by 5 million, the number of
households actually paying income taxes fell by 6 million. Basically,11 million lower-income households don't have to pay
income taxes that would have had to pay taxes before the Bush tax cuts. One could say
that those tax cuts benefited the poor.
Of course, the federal income tax isn't the only tax that we pay.Anyone who works pays at least half of the stiff 15.3 percent-
of-wage-income employment tax. Republicans tend to forget this. Today, the rich pay
more; the poor pay less. Bush tax rate cuts not withstanding, those with high incomes continue to pay at much higher tax
rates than those with lower incomes. The top 10 percent also pay much more of the total tax
bill as you said. However, only 953,000 taxpayers, or about 1 percent of the total who paid taxes, paid at the top 35 percent
tax rate in 2005. They paid $315.4 billion in taxes on $1.1 trillion in income. Those
are the people I want to have to pay a greater share. For most of us our income is derived from work. We earn our
incomes. The wealthy, those who have assets not encumbered by debt, earn most of their money by
letting their money do the earning. I want that money taxed far more for those in the top 1 percent.
The most common marginal tax rate is 15 percent. That's the rate paid by 54..4 million taxpayers. This means the typical
taxpayer pays at less than half the tax rate of the top earners. The second most common
marginal tax rate is 10 percent. About 25.5 million taxpayers pay taxes at that rate. This group pays taxes at one-third the
rate paid by the highest-income taxpayers. So, of the two-thirds of all households that pay
anything in income taxes, about three-quarters pay at 15 percent or less. Another 22 million, 3.7 million and 1.5 million,
households pay income taxes at marginal rates of 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent,
respectively.
In the year 2000, this top 25 percent of all taxpaying filers paid a whopping 83.6 percent of all income taxes. By 2005, they
paid 85.6 percent of all taxes. So, in spite of tax rate cuts for the well-off, the share of taxes paid by the well-off has risen.
What does this all mean? Simple. When political talk turns to tax "fairness," none of the candidates, in either party,
mentions where a high income begins. Any of us whose taxable income exceeded $61,000 in 2005
were in the top 25 percent of taxpayers in 2005. Those with incomes over $145,000 are in the top 5 percent. The top-
earning 25 percent of taxpayers earned 67.5 percent of the nation's income, but they paid more
than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI
over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI),
yet paid 39.4 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount
of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.
I would estimate that since the median family income in 2000 for zip code 11414 was $60750 most of us are in that top 10
percent. I also would venture a guess that many of us are carrying heavy debt and that the
costs of gas, food, and everything else are increasing faster than our incomes. What separates what the government calls
the rich and the really rich is wealth. In my opinion, the really wealthy are getting
richer and I am getting less wealthy. What I am listening for from the candidates is not the usual gas about tax cuts for the
middle class, unless they also define what level of income they class as middle class. I am
listening for which candidate has an overall economic policy which is going to do for me and my children what the policies
between 1935-1970 did for my parents and grandparents that allowed them to acquire some
real wealth, not increasing debt. I haven’t heard that yet from either Obama or McCain. EF
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Don't you see what the Democrats plans is, they create a crisis then offer help from the government. They created the
mortgage crisis by forcing banks to make bad loans in bad neighborhoods and then offer a bail out. They refuse to drill for
oil forcing the price up and then offer assistance. They want people to be totally dependant on the government, it gives
them total power. Very dangerous. ER
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Now they want to offer government assistance to minorities to help with the high price of gas, in other words in you are
white you pay 4.50 a gallon, everyone else pays $3.50, thats fair. SR
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Just by his friends is enough to make me NOT vote for him. His wacky left-wing politics is another. EC
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June 25
This EF is just a Democratic cool aid drinker, makes no sense and has brought into all of the Democratic talking points,
puts the party ahead of the country. You forgot to mention those people you describe as wealthy also pay 75% of the taxes
in this country. The Democrats themselves are using the buzz word "socialist," Maxine Waters,Maurice Hinchey and the
rest. EF may want to rely on the Government, its a free country, but I was always taught to work hard and fend for family,
that is what made America a great country. We don't need hand-outs from the Government, with those hand-outs comes
lost freedom. It is obvious Obama is a Marxist and that is not change, it is a proven failure of Government. We will do our
best in HB to expose Obama and his gang for what they are. I like the Obama's friends section you added CBC. MC
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Too bad your Democrats describe wealth as anyone in HB and lets take it from them and redistribute it, Wake up EF. LP
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Wealth is the stuff that people own without debt. The main items are equity in your home, other real estate, any small
business you own minus debt, liquid assets like savings accounts, CDs and money market funds,
bonds, other securities, stocks, and the cash surrender value of any life insurance you have. Those are the total assets
someone owns. From that, you subtract all debts. The main debt is usually mortgage debt on
your home. Other kinds of debt include consumer loans, auto debt and the like. That difference is referred to as net worth,
or just wealth. It is important to think about wealth as opposed to just thinking about
income. Wealth provides another dimension of well-being. Two people who have the same income may not be as well off if
one person has more wealth. If one person owns his or her home, for example, and the other
person doesn’t, then the homeowner generally is better off in terms of wealth possesion. Wealth, as in strictly financial
savings, provides security to individuals in the event of sickness, job loss or marital separation. Assets provide a kind of
safety blanket that people can rely on in case their income gets interrupted. This stuff most of us know.
When considering wealth in the US and what candidates are talking about maybe we should get away from the buzz words
like “Socialist†and get into some facts. The wealthiest 10% of U.S. households, as defined by net worth in the most
recent Federal Reserve Board study, have an average annual income of $256,000. Those people earn 36% of the income
earned by all American households and they control 70% of the total net worth of all UShouseholds. Their average net
worth is $3.1 million. The average value of their financial assets is $1.3 million. As a group, these 11.2 million households
hold 89% of the value of all publicly traded stock and stock
mutual funds in the U.S. I do not know whether I am going to vote for Obama or not yet, but I sure am going to listen to
what he has to say on economic policy and plans to redistribute the onerous tax burden away from people in that other
90% whose real net worth is less than $3 million. EF
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CBC...Feds leave interest rates unchanged
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HB must come together and stop Obama, not because of the color of his skin but his politics, his socialist plan to
redistribute wealth we ruin our great country. We will be taxed to death in order to pay for his socialist programs.SR
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CBC...Imus is despicable, in his apology for his latest remarks he says "What people should be outraged about is that they
arrest blacks for no reason," He will do and say anything to save his job. I guess when I watch the news each night the
blacks I see are not committing crimes the police are just arresting them for no reason. Maybe the court system is too
lenient on blacks and continue to release them after multiple offenses, sooner or later they must be taken off the streets
no matter what color you are..I wonder how law enforcement feels about that remark.
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You might be right JD, there is a traffic counter on Crossbay near Sutter Ave. Finally some action after sitting in traffic for 8
years. LP
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Again Congress blocks drilling bill, they want higher gas prices so that we will drive less. Bloomberg agreed last week.
Just as foreclosures add supply to the real estate market causing prices to go down, more oil on the market will also
increase supply and cause prices to go down. Drill now before all of our houses are foreclosed! VB
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June 24
There are foreclosure in HB, SP is right and these local politicians do nothing for us. Let's get rid of all of them in
November before it gets worse. SR
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Maybe someone has heard us, the last two nights I went from Liberty Ave to HB in 5 minutes at 6:30, hopefully the lights
have been fixed. JD
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Senate passed the 300 billion foreclosure bill, get ready to dig deeper, VB
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Hey FR, It means exactly what I said. I don't know who you are so I am not posting the location of a house on my block on
this website or any other. That is not a hard concept to grasp. Put away your flawed crystal ball because it is giving you
false info as to what other people think. Your comment as to my perhaps being worried about your race is racist, not to
mention insulting. I am not in the business of making real estate referrals, and if I was inclined to shoot you an email to
fr512@yahoo with the address, your insulting tone makes me not do it. SP
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Remember the subprime? Who created the environment for this economic debacle that is blamed on this administration?
Remember this: The same companies accused of discrimination for failing to offer loans to minorities in the past are today
charged with discrimination for offering too many sub-prime loans to minorities.
The solution, as Ronald Reagan often said, is not government; government is the problem! Your Democratic government
passed laws in the seventies under Jimmy Carter to "help" people who can't afford homes to buy homes. Meaning
everybody who should not buy homes. Obama, will exercise Carter's third term, to help people who can't afford to own
chauffered Bentleys get chauffered Bentleys; and those who can't afford beachfront mansions in East Hampton get
beachfront mansions in East Hampton.
-- AGB
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SP- You are right. There are plenty of sources of information on foreclosures and sub prime loans. CoreLogic data is so
good that the Federal Reserve bases projections on it. Data is available by zip code on the
number of Alt-A First Lien Owner-Occupied Loans and the number of sub prime First Lien Owner-Occupied Loans along
with the number of each type that are in foreclosure, the number of loans 30-59 days overdue, the
number 60-89 days overdue, and the number more than 90 days overdue .Data also is available about ARMs w/ High LTV,
FICO<620. ARMs w/ Low LTV, FICO>=620, as well as info for the number of ARMs resetting in given
time periods. The data also gives the number of REOs and non-owner occupied Alt-A and sub prime loans by zip. Howard
Beach is not as bad off as other parts of Queens but anyone who thinks the problem is not here
has their head buried in the sand like an ostrich. More minorities may be affected but they are not the only people
affected. I can easily understand that local real estate brokers and salespeople want to minimize, afterall, they have a
vested interest their businesses. Their opinions on the issue need to be weighed along with views from other sectors of
the economic analysis community to form an informed opinion. EF
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Hey SP, what does that mean, you don't know me the bank is not going to ask for your approval before they sell the house.
Don't worry I'm white, it sounds as though you are worried about my race. If you are really worried about your real estate
value as you stated then email the address @ fr512hb@yahoo.com Thanks
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The Senate votes on the foreclosure bill, the Democratic Congressional Black Caucus is dictating the terms of the bill with
all sorts of incentives and tax credits for minority neighborhoods. I have a problem bailing out people who don't know the
difference between "Fixed" and "Adjustable" MC
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June 23
CBC....There has been no more reported robberies in HB at this time.
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Now Bloomberg wants to increase tax on gas so people won't drive as much, these politicians are so out of touch. Let him
try and make ends meet. BM
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Obama blames the high gas prices on speculators, he wants to regulate speculators, what a jerk. Increase supply by
drilling and the investors will not be long oil futures, simple. DD
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That article you posted on the home page last week about the foreclosure demonstrators at Padavan's office were all
minorities, they want to be bailed out. Maybe I should demonstrate outside Addabbo's office for losing a bundle on
Internet stocks in 20000. RR
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I agree VP, they are planning another massive government spending bill to bail out these people who risked nothing
buying a house. People have to take responsibility for their own action and not look for government to bail them out. It is
really getting ridiculous. Just another re-distribution of wealth scheme. JB
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FR- Since I have no idea who you are I am not posting the location of my block on a website. Check court records to get
the locations of homes in foreclosure or those that are REO. SP
VP- I agree that RealtyTrac may post homes from other areas as being in a location other than the one a person may be
searching. However, since NY’s foreclosure process is judicial there are court records and other sources that
provide information independent of RealtyTrac.
While I agree with you that foreclosure problems are not as great in Howard Beach as in other areas, the problem is real
and it is here in our neighborhood and the areas surrounding us. Aside from the information on RealtyTrac, there is plenty
of information from other sources both
within and without the real estate and mortgage industry, the banking industry, and government that depict the problem of
sub prime loans, foreclosure issues and their short and long term effects. A lot of loans in 11414 are subprime, not as
many as in other areas, but they are here
too. Foreclosures are far worse in other parts of the country. One reason is that NY has better laws and a longer process
on foreclosure than many other states which afford people some options not available in other places. My home is not for
sale and I own it free and clear, so the current effect on my value is on paper only, however for anyone else on my block
trying to sell, the effect of a
foreclosure on the block is quite real. SP
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June 22
SP can you post the address of that house I would like to get my hands on it. Thanks, FR
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RealtyTrac is not a good source for real estate information, they are known for posting incorrect information, many times
the houses they post are not even in the town posted. SP you are falling for the big lie, foreclosures are not as
widespread as they want people to believe, as I stated it is confined mostly to low-income neighborhoods because of the
bad loans. Thats not to say a person in living in HB can't lose their job and no longer afford their house, that happens
occasionally every year/. Most of the houses purchased in HB over the last 5 years had significant down payments and the
purchasers knew what they were getting into. When some- one buys a house with no money down that is where the
problem starts, they have nothing invested in the property and nothing to loose. I think they want to give the perception
that foreclosures are so widespread so they can purpose a massive bailout package with taxpayers money. As far as the
foreclosure on your block SP don't worry, no one knows it was foreclosed and within a couple of months someone will
knock it down and build a beautiful home on the site increasing the value of your home. Good luck SP and don't panic. VP
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How could Obama and some in Congress say that offshore drilling and ANWR would reduce the price of gas by pennies, we
get a hurricane which does minor damage to a couple of Gulf rigs and the price spikes up 50 cents. What a lie. EC
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These Democrats in Congress still haven't learned, if they would have started drilling 10 years ago we would be paying
allot less for gas now. Start the drilling now so we can look forward to lower prices. RG
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Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think RealtyTrac is. The now bank owned house on my block that's been sitting empty for
months is not doing anything good for my real estate value. Yes the problem is greater in other neighborhoods but there
are too many foreclosures here. SP
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June 21
You are wrong SP, I am in real estate and the foreclosure numbers in HB are nowhere near those numbers, in fact they are
very low comparatively speaking. Foreclosures effect low income neighborhoods more then neighborhoods like HB.
People view foreclosures in HB as more of a buying opportunity. VP
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I'm in favor of offshore drilling, like right behind Russo's and then run a pipeline to the gas stations on Crossbay. PV
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Any word on the robberies? JP
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I like Joe Addabbo but I can't vote for him this time, we need some balance in the state government and we just can't let on
party control the show, especially the Democrats with the liberal Paterson and the liberal Malcolm Smith running the show.
What a nightmare it would be. VS
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That Sharpton article on the home page makes me furious, he extorts money from these companies and gets away with it.
Sickening! DC
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June 20
You have that right CBC, they continue to attack the Catholic religion in this country, Hollywood is afraid to make a movie
about Islam and could never portray Muslims negatively. CF
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Obama doesn't want to drill for oil, might hurt the environment, he would rather us pay $6.00 a gallon. SR
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I am sure the people of Springfield Gardens didn't request baseball fields, maybe basketball courts. Would be great to
have facilities like that for our kids, maybe someday if we elect the right people. JB
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People that should never own houses are getting bailed out with our taxes, used to be you had to have 30% down to own a
house, they put nothing down, risk nothing, force the price of a house up and we have to bail they out. Makes sense. EC
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I don't know how many houses are in Howard Beach but I would guess there are at least 3,500-4,000 in zip 11414. That
would be a 18-21 foreclosures at the 53 per 10,000 rate. Those foreclosures affect the values
of the surrounding homes negatively. SP
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Read the articles you posted on the home page regarding foreclosure, it's amazing that 53 out of every 10,000 homes have
been foreclosed. Listening to the news one would think 1 out of every 5 homes are being foreclosed. Now the state is
going to bail out these people. It never stops. NM
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Hey LB you are nothing more then a racist with your hand out to government for support. All you know how to do is play the
race card, you are pathetic. LP
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If you think it's bad now wait until winter and we have to heat our homes. PG
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June 19
CBC....If gas goes to $15.00 a gallon we would reduce our CO2 emissions by 37.8%......Only kidding!
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The Dems say they tare for the little guy yet they do nothing to help the people who are getting hurt the most by the price
of gas, I guess the environment 50 years from now is more important. TR
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Bush and Cheney manipulating the price of gas. Both oilmen. BB
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Let them drill in Central Park if gas prices come down to 2 bucks! MD
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What are you people in Howard Beach going to do when we have a Black President, Black Governor, and Black Majority
leader in the State Senate when Addabbo wins. Payback is a bitch!!! LB
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You are right MC, no looting, no FEMA trailers, no outrage, no race card, just people coming together to help one another.
GF
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I hope they lock up that kid and throw away the key! He is scum! FV
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EF, you cannot associate the two crimes, all you are doing is minimizing the Ferguson crime by associating it with egg
throwing. All I was saying is to put things in proper persecutive. JB
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CBC.....Sorry for not updating the last two days, we were switching servers.
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June 16
JB- Sounds like you subscribe to the theory that a bad act on one person's part is somehow excusable because someone
else did something worse. Is it ok for me or you to commit any illegal act, major or minor, just because there are others
who do? I haven't disparaged Howard Beach
kids. I have commented on problems we have in Howard Beach that emanate from some, certainly not all, of our kids.
Those problems exist and need to be dealt with within our community. They can't be rationalized away because someone
else, somewhere else committed a heinous crime. EF
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The images we are seeing from the Mid West flooding is reminiscent of New Orleans only I haven't heard of any looting,
wonder why? MC
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Where is EG and EF, no post regarding Eric Ferguson, they only disparage HB kids. They get all worked up over eggs and
remain silent now.JB
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You make a good point Jil, when we see our local leaders lets ask them who they are endorsing. ER
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Thanks for posting that information AGB we need the truth to come out. DC
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Not only should that teacher go forth with a criminal suit but a civil suit as well. Eric Ferguson that name sounds familiar, is
he one of the thugs that was involved in the Howard Beach attack?
AS
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Wow, you really had to dig to get these songs, good choice. Happy Father's Day. RR
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June 15 Father's Day
ALL THESE LEADERS TALK A GOOD BS GAME. WHEN VOTING THEY WALK WITH THEIR PARTY
DON'T EXPECT THESE DEM'S TO KEEP TAXES FROM GOING UP,THEY NEED THE MONEY FOR
ALL BS PROGRAMS THEY PROMISE. AND BY THE WAY ASK THESE DEM'S WILL THEY BACK
OBAMA TO WH THIS I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR. Jil
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From The Washington Post- George Will--RISING in the Senate on May 13, Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat,
explained: "I rise to discuss rising energy prices." The president was heading to Saudi Arabia to seek an increase in its oil
production, and Schumer's gorge was rising.
Saudi Arabia, he said, "holds the key to reducing gasoline prices at home in the short term." Therefore arms sales to that
kingdom should be blocked unless it "increases its oil production by one million barrels per day," which would cause the
price of gasoline to fall "50 cents a gallon almost immediately."
Can a senator, with so many things on his mind, know so precisely how the price of gasoline would respond to that
increase in the oil supply?
Schumer does know that if you increase the supply of something, the price of it probably will fall. That's why he and 96
other senators recently voted to increase the supply of oil on the market by stopping the flow of oil into the Strategic
Petroleum Reserve, which protects against major physical interruptions.
Seventy-one of the 97 senators who voted to stop filling the SPR also oppose drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
One million barrels is what might today be flowing from ANWR if in 1995 President Bill Clinton hadn't vetoed legislation to
permit drilling there. One million barrels produce 27 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel. Seventy-two of today's
senators - including Schumer, of course, and 38 other Democrats, including Barack Obama, and 33 Republicans, including
John McCain - have voted to keep ANWR's estimated 10.4 billion barrels of oil off the market.
So Schumer, according to Schumer, is complicit in taking $10 away from every American who buys 20 gallons of gasoline.
"Democracy," said H.L. Mencken, "is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good
and hard." The common people of New York want Schumer to be their senator, so they should pipe down about gasoline
prices, which are a predictable consequence of their political choice.
Also disqualified from complaining are all voters who sent to Washington senators and representatives who've voted to
keep ANWR's oil in the ground, and who voted to put 85 percent of America's offshore territory off-limits to drilling. The US
Minerals Management Service says that restricted area contains perhaps 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet
of natural gas - 10 times the oil and 20 times the natural gas Americans use in a year.
Drilling is under way 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling
closer to South Florida than US companies are.
ANWR is larger than the combined areas of five states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware)
and drilling along its coastal plane would be confined to a space one-sixth the size of Washington's Dulles Airport.
Offshore? Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed or damaged hundreds of drilling rigs without causing a large spill. There
hasn't been a significant spill from an offshore US well since 1969. Of the more than 7 billion barrels of oil pumped offshore
in the last 25 years, 0.001 percent - that is one-thousandth of 1 percent - has been spilled. Louisiana has more than 3,200
rigs offshore - and a thriving commercial fishing industry.
In his "Gusher of Lies: The Dangerous Delusions of 'Energy Independence,'" Robert Bryce says Brazil's energy success
has little to do with its much-discussed ethanol production and much to do with its increased oil production, the vast
majority of which comes from off Brazil's shore. Investor's Business Daily reports that Brazil, "which recently made a major
oil discovery almost in sight of Rio's beaches," has leased most of the world's deep-sea drilling rigs.
In September 2006, two US companies announced that their "Jack No. 2" well, in the Gulf 270 miles southwestofNew
Orleans, had tapped a field with perhaps 15 billion barrels of oil, which would increase America's proven reserves by 50
percent. Just probing four miles below the Gulf's floor costs $100 million. Congress' response to such expenditures is to
propose increasing the oil companies' tax burdens.
America says to foreign producers: We prefer not to pump our oil, so please pump more of yours, thereby lowering its
value, for our benefit. Let it not be said that America has no energy policy. AGB
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CBC....Happy Father's Day To All!
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June 14 Flag Day
Where is the person bad mouthing our kids, take a look at that teacher. i guess they have no comment on this 18 year old,
only the HB kids. BC
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CBC.....In the article above referring to the NYPD stops, the ACLU is just trying to handcuff the cops. Their spokesperson
said ""The data confirms our worst fears," well my "worse fear is becoming a crime victim. I have never been arrested but I
have been stopped by the cops many times and have never been "tossed around" as the article states. Maybe the cops
should "toss around" some of the ACLU members and knock some sense into them. Let the cops do their jobs and protect
us, random stops are part of police work.
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When is somebody going to do something about that light by Crossbay field, just took 20 minutes to from Liberty and
Crossbay to HB. If they were serious about protecting the environment they wouldn't have us wasting gas at every corner.
I am sure Joe Addabbo and Audrey Pheffer get caught in that traffic too. FV
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Yet another Sean bell protest, when will it ever end, so disgusted. JM
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June 13
They caught that creep in the video above, I hope they put him away for a long time. FR
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What do you expect of Weiner, thats why nothing gets done in HB, like we said a couple of weeks ago he has no interest in
his constituents. ER
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Grand Jury drop charges against the guy who climbed the Times building last week, they should lock these guy up for at
least a year to discourage anyone else from doing that. Someday an innocent bystander is going to get killed. Set an
example now. SR
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Has the Supreme Court gone mad, they want prisoners of war to have a trial here in the states, thats akin to giving German
and Japanese prisoners during WWII court trials. MC
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On Chinese New Year the cops are on TV watching the fireworks. The law is the law and should be enforced everywhere!
BC
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Why are fireworks permitted on Chinese New Year? NM
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June 12
CBC.....Attended the Community Council meeting at the 106 last night, Captain Courtesis said the robberies occurred
between 90 street and 85 street and between 160th and 165 Avenues. The times of the attacks were 11PM AND 2 AM. He
has added extra patrols and reminded everyone to always be aware of your surroundings and if you see a suspicious
person call.
The Captain also stated that extra officers will assigned to the 106 on The 4th of July and fireworks will be confiscated.
They will be setting up a drop off unit by Starbucks for confiscated fireworks. Expect to see a large Police presence in the
area on the 4TH, so before spending your hard earned money on fireworks keep in mind your entire display could be
confiscated by the cops.
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Heard allot of sirens last night, was there a fire in the neighborhood. DG
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June 11
Aspen is re-opening its ski slopes after snowfall, must be a right wing conspiracy .GD
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LP- Two robberies occurred on new side. EF
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Does anyone know if the attacks happened in new Howard or the old side? LP
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I don't always agree with the politics of some of the posts but you guy's are definitely an asset to our community, from the
Halloween incident, the home robberies, Sovereign Bank and the rest, good job and thank you. This is a great venue for
local information and I see you playing even a bigger role in the future. AB
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I heard he wears a bandanna. TR
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June 10
CBC.....Please read the important alert on the top of this page and pass the information on. The purpose of this page is to
disseminate neighborhood information in a timely manner, so please help us do so. We want to keep residents of our
community updated on important information and nothing can spread the word like the internet.
I am surprised no one email us sooner regarding these robberies, perhaps we are all getting wrapped up in the politics
too much.
Tomorrow night is the monthly meeting at the 106, concerned citizens should attend. Starts at 8PM.
The crime stats for the week ending June 8 have also been updated so take a look.
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Republicans blocked plan to tax windfall profits for oil companies, can someone tell me how that would have lowered the
price of gas. ER
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Good idea CBC....I am going to take my boat out tomorrow, for $59.99 I will keep it docked and you can have my carbon off-
sets. DR
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CBC.....SAVE THE PLANET......keep your air conditioners at 87.5. CBC is now offering temperature credits, here's how it
works: if you want to lower the temperature on your air conditioner you can buy credits from us and we will raise the
temperature on our air conditioner. It's only 20 bucks per degree so if you want to lower your air conditioner by 5 degrees
it will only cost you $100.00 and we will raise our air conditioner by 5 degrees. Just think about it , you will no longer feel
guilty for being cool and with our temperature off-sets you will be carbon neutral. Its a win for the planet. I am planning to
drive cross-country this summer burning up allot of energy while spewing out CO2 from here to California, for $3,000.00 I
will stay home and you can use my carbon off-sets. You can reduce your carbon footprint the entire summer. Call now
operators are standing by.
As ridiculous as this sounds that is just about what congress wants to do to our industries
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I want Obama include pools for every American, after all everyone deserves a pool and the government should give us
one. LP
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That is an amazing stat, there were so many fewer cars back then and yet our oil production was the same. It is time to
push back against these environmental wackos before we are all ruined. Any politician on their side must be voted out, it's
time the start to think about the average family. JK
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June 9
CBC......In December 1947 the U.S. Crude Oil Field Production was 165,555 (Thousand Barrels) in December 2007 the
number was 157,219, wonder why gas prices are so high. Supply and demand. Come on Congress let us drill our own oil,
the Caribou will understand. Too many people are suffering from high energy cost due to your refusal to permit oil
companies from drilling in the U.S. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mcrfpus1m.html
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I want the government to buy air-conditioners for everyone. Why should anyone feel uncomfortable from the heat. Put that
in your entitlement platform Obama. DC
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Now they want to arm cops with tasers instead of guns, whats next water pistols. GR
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CBC....Global temperatures have cooled by 1 degree since 2006. May was the 5th coolest month in the 30 year history of
satellite records.
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In your article on the home page, why don't Paterson just say that the state is going to push for everyone except white
males. When you hear "minority and women" you know it is discrimination. VR
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JB- I'm not blaming the people of Howard Beach or anyone else. What groups in Howard Beach have submitted funding
proposals to the city for discretionary funding and not been funded? EF
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Hey don't say HB doesn't get anything, we just got new bike lanes. BC
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I like Obama's immigration policy, make the US a third world country and no one will want to come here FR
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June 8
Many boats staying in port this weekend, price of gas. PL
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Below is a list of Obama's accomplishments:
Community Activist
FG
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You people shouldn't be joking about glaciers melting, it is a serious problem. When Howard Beach is submerged you
won't be laughing any longer. Jerks! NG
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EF again you make it sound as if the problem are the HB residents many of whom have been doing just what you have
suggested for years. You must stop defending the local politicians, Stable was bad but Joe Addabbo is much worse. That
is the reason why we can't get any funding. JB
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June 7
I was going to take the kids skiing on that Glacier this weekend now you say it is melting. I guess we will go to the beach
instead. DC
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The problem is that a white city council member could never vote against pork spending for a minority community for fear
of being labeled a racist. If you oppose anything black you are a racist, now if a white favors McCain he is a racist or
ignorant. VS
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Thank God the Republicans blocked that gargantuan global warming tax bill, we have to worry about the people of the
United States at this time. Everyone is struggling now with high energy cost we don't need additional taxes. This Congress
has to start to worry about us and not what the rest of the world thinks. ER
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No JB, I'm not kidding. Someone commented about a group receiving funding from the city for a project the group was
sponsoring. Someone else responded tothe effect that the city should give some of that money to Howard Beach. My
comment was basically, so write a proposal and apply for the funding. You said that's what we've been doing for 15 years.
Which Howard Beach organization has submitted a funding proposal and applied for discretionary funding from the city for
15 years and not been approved to get them? EF
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June 6
That video shows how far society has sunk, no compassion for a fellow human being, just terrible. MM
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Are you kidding EF, we have been doing just that for 15 years. JB
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Dow down 400 today as unemployment rate and oil prices jump, we are headed down the tubes. SM
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If you want a specific program funded, put together a proposal and apply for the money, that is how groups that run
programs get it. EF
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Price of crude oil jumps $11.00 today. FR
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CBC.......As crazy as it sounds to you LB we don't condone 20 year friendships with known racist for our President or
associations with terrorist groups like the Weather underground.
We are going to go and climb the New York Times Building to draw attention conditions at Charles Park! LOL
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Why don't our councilmen get some of that money for us, the next councilman we must pressure to get our piece of the pie
and find out if they voted in favor of projects like the one mentioned above. Enough is Enough! DR
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Now you people will have another black to pick on, Obama. Your girl Hillary is gone so it will be open season on Obama. LB
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The Dream ticket of Obama and Hillary, lets all hope it happens! CB
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June 5
How insulting to compare Obama to JFK, the media is making this guy out to be God. SR
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Obama-Hillary ticket will be unbeatable!!! DN
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Why would the city council OK 23 million of our tax dollars because some slaves slept there. What a waste of money. JC
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Joe Addabbo has not given back the dirty Soro's money, you have lost my vote Joe! SR
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Can we have an electoral mulligan, they both suck! WR
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Hillary wants to become VP now making the ticket the weakest in the Democratic party history. A Senator with no
experience and a Senator who has never written of co-sponsored a single bill. ER
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Between the music, movies, TV and video games it is very difficult to raise children these days. It is impossible to keep
them insulated from that garbage, we do the best we can. SD
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June 4
Let's ask Ted Kennedy if he still supports Nationalized Health Care. Under his plan he would have had his operation
sometime in December at Jamaica Hospital. AG
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SP you are in a state of denial, most Democrats today are either Marxist or socialist, they want to redistribute wealth in this
country from the people who have worked hard their entire lives. They want everyone to depend on the government so
they can have power over the population. Regulate every aspect of our lives while taxing us to death in the name of one
cause or another. They sold out to the ACLU and we can't even mention God anymore. I can go on and on but you get the
idea, this is not the party of the 1960's. ER
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You got that right BB, while our kids may not be the greatest they are far better then most neighborhoods and anyone who
doesn't defend them when someone calls them inbreeds is a real wimp. That is an insult to everyone in HB and EG should
apologize and so should the other jerk who is defending him. Show some respect for others. MM
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You people sound as if your living in 1960 complaining about a couple of eggs, kids today make bombs, shoot classmates,
and commit various other crimes. While I don't condone egg throwing or shaving cream on Halloween it is pale in
comparison to other neighborhoods and has been part of Halloween since the late 60's. I don't see graffiti, burning cars or
other acts of disobedience in HB, If I am wrong then post it or stop whining. TR
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June 3
When the Democrats took over Congress they promised the first order of business was to lower the price of gas, good job
Nancy. ER
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If you think things are bad now just wait for them to pass this cap and trade bill, we will all be domed! KB
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Hey EF, when someone insults every parent in HB I take exception and you should too, EG did not express his opinion, he
made derogatory, disrespectful comments about our children, why you would decide to defend such language tells my
allot about who you are. As far as the rule of law everyone of your post's defend the Democratic party who are the biggest
crooks in the country. They just take our money and either keep for themselves or give to their friends. BB
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Cigarettes when up $2.25 per pack today , state tax. Even if you don't smoke you should be concerned. Look what they
have done to smokers in this country, next target is energy. EF's Democrats went after the tobacco industry and now it's
the energy industry. Energy is harmful to us. When they first started the attack on tobacco they said they were just
bringing down health care cost and everyone would benefit, a big lie. Studies show that smokers use less health care
because on average they die younger then non-smokers. Non smokers live longer and require more health care as they
age. Now they have the environmental lie to use so watch your pockets GD
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CBC....Two men shot in Ozone Park last night, we are hearing Charles Park will get a new turf field in August, can anyone
confirm?
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That article regarding the City Council above just shows how inept the City Council really is. They just give money away,
the company receiving the money wasn't even incorporated and is not a non profit organization. You are right CBC that 4,2
Mil would help upgrade our parks. SR
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BB your statement regarding egging EG’s house and the declarative statement you made that you would smash
EG’s face with an egg are not the voicing of opinions, rather they are threats of physical violence toward
another person’s person and property. Children learn what they are taught. If you’re a parent, based on
your comments, my opinion is that your kids are being shown by your example that if you don’t like what
someone says, it is acceptable to threaten violence. In my view, you are part of the problem and your
choice of words exhibit a lack of respect for the rule of law. EF
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On Wednesday, June 4th (9:30am-12:30pm) the Dept of Sanitation will be holding a hearing on its proposed regulations for
implementing the just-passed Litter Law ---"governing the distribution of advertisements on private property." (State
mandated penalty for such littering: $250 up to $1,000.)
The rules for implementation of the Litter Law, as proposed by Dept of Sanitation (5 pages, click below -- and available on
the DOS web site at nyc.gov) -- and to be commented on at or before the Public Hearing on June 4th -- are absolutely
asinine. They impose a severe burden on the property owner and are most likely never to be pursued by most
homeowners!!.
They would require the homeowner to download a complaint affidavit form or to call 311 for one [no problem]. The
homeowner would then have to get the form notarized and mail it together with the literature deposited to DOS in
Brooklyn, and then be available to attend a hearing, presumably in Manhattan, if the adjudicating officer asks him to
appear and testify.
Notarizing, with its costs and inconvenience, should be eliminated; the homeowner's identity can be confirmed by
providing a copy of a recent tax bill or by having DOS refer to the Dept of Finance web site. How many homeowners will
want to get involved if they face an appearance at a hearing in Manhattan, or elsewhere????
The law only authorizes DOS enforcement people to issue tickets when they witness the littering; the NYPD should be
authorized to do so as well.
To facilitate such advertising distribution, perhaps the distributing agency could provide a "mailbox" designated for such
a purpose to willing homeowners, similar to what newspaper home delivery people do.
Please react in the community's favor. Murray H. Berger,
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ER- You may not have specifically said Republicans, but you did imply that if one was a Democrat, one supported the
breakdown of religion and morals. If you want to be an independent or Independent, that’s your right. It’s my right
to do my own thinking, so I don’t need you
to tell me what I think. Not all Democrats are liberal and Democrats are not Socialists. You said you were an Independent
using a capital i That implies you are a member of the Independent Party, the party of Lenora Fulani who is a whole lot more
liberal and has more socialistic views that most Democrats do. As far as the sacrament of marriage being torn down, look
at the stats. A majority of persons who make those until death do us part vows visit a divorce court long before they die.
So much for the sacrament. SP
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June 2
Let's stop kidding ourselves, we don't get City or Federal Funding because HB is a white community. if we were black it
would be a different story. JM
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BB I applaud you. That is so true whenever white kids are spoken about in a negative manor it's ok no one puts up a fight
but God forbid a "minority" is spoken about negatively. Everyone can put down our community because they have gotten
so used to us not fighting back well thanks to CBC we have a place we can speak out and voice our opinions and stand up
for our community. It is true outsiders come in here and try to destroy our neighborhood, Halloween was a perfect example
of what goes on every other night of the year but never gets any publicity well this time we finally did get somewhere and
a lot has to do with this site. The people of Howard Beach are fed up, we want justice...Enough is enough!
AS
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Finally someone talking the truth about Howard Beach, Eg you are right about HB. LB
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It's just amazing that Obama is so close to the presidency, take a look at that video. How can that be called a church
spewing hatred. GR
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You have it wrong EF I didn't want to egg EG;s house I would smash the little punks face with an egg. Call the cops EF. You
are part of the problem why society has digressed over the years,a complete lack of respect. You are correct EG does
have a right to express his opinion but he does not have the right to use hateful, disrespectful speech against our kids.
You like all liberals feel anyone can say whatever they want no matter how hateful it may be (the exception is minorities)
He refers to our children as inbreeds and you don't comment, he states "The majority of the people in this neighborhood
are ignorant snobs, who because of inbreeding have subjected the rest of us to their hatred of anyone who isn't Italian or
Irish." again not a word from you. I bet if EG said that about black kids you would be outraged. I really feel sorry for you EF.
BB
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I'm surprised CBC let that EG post go through. It is terrible to refer to our kids as inbreeds, those all fighting words in HB.
PC
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SP, you exposed yourself for what you are, look at my post I never mentioned Republicans, subconsciously you must think
Republicans have more morals then Democrats. I was a Democrat all my life until 1995 when I woke up, now I am an
Independent. You should give it up SP, you know the Dems sold out to the libs, you will be a much happier person if you
do. It has been proven socialism does not work. Just think about it, you will no longer be forced to defend positions you
don't believe in, now they want to tear down the sacrament of marriage. ER
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The city is too busy checking out restaurants to make sure they post calorie information on their menus and that there is
no trans-fats around instead of inspecting construction sites. Good job Bloomberg! FR
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June 1
EG I too am a college student who also works full time for attorneys and have lived in the Ozone Park Howard Beach area
my entire 24 years..The people of this neighborhood are friendly and care about the neighborhood no one is snobby only
snobs are the trash that come in here thinking they can do as they please and get away with it when they get caught. The
catholic schools you mention do not teach morals and values anymore due to the liberals that want to take religion out of
the schools including the catholic schools on which religion is it's main point. It is the liberals who have taught our
generation to be ashamed of anything moral and good and to be proud of anything that is obscene and vulgar. If you do
not like our neighborhood move you are old enough to move out on your own no one is forcing you to be here. Apparently
your parents saw fit the need to move here and whether you agree or not you are not being forced to stay in an area you
do not like and if you claim you cannot afford to leave your parents' home well you can also thank your lovely dems and libs
for that as well.
AS
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Only the truly brainless subscribe to the theory that the only people who have “family†values and good morals are
Republicans. If, as ER wrote, “kids today are a bi-product of†the Democrat’s “failed social policies over the
past 40 years†then the kids in Howard Beach and their 35-40ish parents are part of that product. Bull. Family values are
taught by families. It sounds as if ER’s family taught the value that someone else’s behavior may be used to excuse
one’s own behavior. Sounds like he or she was using Devil’s Night in Detroit to excuse egg throwing in Howard
Beach every Halloween. Anyone whose head is not buried in the sand knows full well there’s more than “an egg or
two†thrown here every year. Much of the vandalism that occurs in Howard Beach on other nights of the year is done
by our own kids. Those kids who are responsible for it have not learned from their parents the value of respecting the
property of others. Kids will always be kids and will sometimes do stupid things. But kids whose families have taught and
who have actually learned proper values and morals don’t usually veer too far off course. There are some who will try
to offer the excuse that the lack of a youth center or poor park conditions is the reason for that behavior rather than a
failure on the part of a child to learn respect for the property of others. The lack of something one wants is not and never
has been an excuse for bad behavior or criminal conduct by anyone. By ER’s logic, the “bad†kids in Howard
Beach must have parents who are Democrats and the “good†kids must have parents who are Republicans. Doesnâ
€™t that sound ridiculous? It’s just as ridiculous to ascribe
all societal ills to half the country’s people and to discount their views. Half the country votes Democrat. LP says that
it’s mostly people from outside the community who trash Charles Park. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. It is
true that207 park is used mostly by people from our community. Who is responsible for the substantial damage there that
occurs on a regular basis? Gee, it must be the Democrats. Can’t be the Republicans – they got values, don’t you
know. SP
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CB-The funding allocated in 2000 was $1 million. It was spread out over 5 years and was for work at both Charles Park and
Hamilton Beach Park. It wasn't enough and that fact shows in the conditions at both parks. What is needed to get both of
those parks fully renovated would be more like $10 million,
BB- Why don't you post your address so the police can arrest you for threatening to egg EG's house for voicing an opinion
you don't like.
There is no excuse for the attack on a couple of young people last Halloween and it's sad that the prosecution did not get
the perpetrators convicted. However, no one who lives in Howard Beach can deny that on every Halloween there are
some kids who live here who engage in destructive and assaultive behavior, not just Halloween fun. There's no excuse
for that destructive or assaultive behavior either. EF
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EG, you can't be a brainless Democrat, you used the word morals. Religion and morals are not part of the Democratic
platform, "if it feels good do it" is your mantra. You and your party have continually broken down morality in this country by
defending any type of behavior and speech no matter how destructive it may be. You have continually attack the religious
institutions in this country and family values as if it were so ancient cult.The kids today are a bi-product of your failed
social policies over the past 40 years and you have the balls to complain about what you have created. Move to Detroit
and get your house burned down on devil's night then you will be begging for an egg or two. I am so sick of you Democrats
complaining over issues that you create with your failed policies. ER
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They only inbreed in Howard Beach is you EG, You must not visit Charles Park on a weekend because there are very few
residents of HB enjoying the park, it is mostly people from outside the community who trash the park. You are a real jerk!
LP
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Hey EG what college do you go to? FF
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May 31
EG why don't you move to Bed Sty and say those things about black children and see what happens. You will run back to
HB with your diaper on. SR
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EG why don't you post your address so I can egg your house, who do you think you are referring to our children like that.
You are the one spoiled and lazy, stop mooching off your parents and move away! BB
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You are a real asshole EG, why don't you just get out of our neighborhood which you hate so much. Talk about arrogance,
stop living off your parents and get the hell out of here!!! JB
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Wrong EF, congress allocated funding for the park in 2000 and the renovations were made under the Republican lead
Congress. You are correct in stating our pittance goes up under a Democratic Congress but the additional funding goes
directly to their base in minority neighborhoods and never to HB. Tax and spend CB
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Hey CB - Lack of funding for NY by Congress: Jan. 1, 1995-Dec. 31, 2006 Republicans controlled both
the House of Representatives and the Senate. By your logic, if it's the fault of the Democratic Congress
now, then during those years it's their fault. Jan. 1, 2007-present Democrats control the House of
Representatives and the Senate has 49 Dems, 49 Reps and 2 Independents which pretty much makes it a tie. Takes both
houses of Congress to pass something. The lack of funding is, as SP said, the fault of the "prevailing attitude that NY is the
country's cash cow." We send Washington the big bucks, they send back a pittance in relationship. That's pretty much
historical fact, whether Democrats or Republicans are in control. The only real difference in relationship to federal
funding is that when Democrats are in control, the pittance that comes back to NY, and too ther urban areas like NY, is a bit
bigger but never enough.
EF
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I have been living in Howard Beach against my will for the past 8 years. Because I was 13 at the time I had no choice but to
move here, and I have stayed only because I am a college student. The majority of the people in this neighborhood are
ignorant snobs, who because of inbreeding have subjected the rest of us to their hatred of anyone who isn't Italian or
Irish. The problems in Howard Beach are not caused by politicians who are busy screwing other politicians, rather it is
because the people of Howard Beach are too spoiled and lazy to do anything for themselves. They let their spawn run
around at all hours of the day and night. If Charles Park is in such horrid conditions after being fixed up only 9 years ago,
then it is because the denizens of HB have let their aforementioned spawn run around unsupervised. That is not to say
that the preschoolers are wrecking the park, rather it is the teens, who attend such schools as Stella Maris, Christ the
King, St. Francis Prep, etc., schools that are supposed to teach moral values that instead instill nothing but moral
ineptitude. It does not surprise me that Charles Park is in the state that everyone on here claims that it is after 8 years of
enduring the day after Halloween madness, caused by the same devil-children, who roam the streets day and night. They
egg the houses and throw shaving cream everywhere, and when the police visit their parents (most likely homes of many
of you or your children), they don't see any problem with it because "they haven't hurt anyone." Haven't they? John Locke
wrote that everyone is born with the Natural Rights of "Life, liberty, and PROPERTY." If we are born with the right to
property, shouldn't we also have the right to believe that our supposed neighbors won't trash it on a yearly basis? Based
on Howard Beach, you would not think so. Many of you will ignore this as the ramblings of a so-called brainless democrat,
but maybe somewhere something will have rung true for some of you that wonder why this neighborhood is the way that it
is.
Thank You.
E.G.
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Finally Al Sharpton marching for peace in Harlem.
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May 30
The crane collapse is the result of the expansion of city government, the city is involved in areas they have no business
and can no longer ensure public safety. The hiring of less qualified people due to their race is also a contributing factor.
SR
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CBC....Yet another crane collapse in Manhattan.
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If Paterson wants to recognize gay marriage why don't we put it up for a vote and let the people decide, one person should
not have that much power. DC
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Hey Sp lack of federal funding is the result of your Democratic congress, what do you have to say. Youth centers,
basketball courts, running tracks and the like seem to always appear in minority neighborhoods, I wonder why? CB
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May 29
Sharton to protest tomorrow night with those wacky bike riders in Manhattan, should be interesting NM
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Joe Bruno and religious groups to fight Paterson on gay marriage, thank God there are still Republicans in Albany. ER
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MC- Of course it’s not my responsibility to waste time determining underlying issues, However, before voicing an opinion
on how to fix a problem, I have a responsibility to determine what I think the problemis. You probably won’t agree with me,
but my opinion is that the lack of funds necessary to fix Charles Park is part and parcel of the overall lack of federal
funding the taxpayers of NY get for projects here in relationship to the amount of tax dollars we send to Washington. That’
s not a new problem. Yes, Meeks and Weiner have to get additional funding to maintain Charles Park, but before they can
accomplish getting more than small amounts the prevailing attitude in
Washington that NY is the country’s cash cow has to change. It would be real nice if we could just say I pay my taxes, I
want a youth center, and someone will just snap their fingers to make one appear. That’s not going to happen. To get one,
those who want it are going to have to organize, involve the whole community in the effort and work collectively to get it.
That takes work, not just mouth. As far as Charles Park, that's what Ms. McCloskey's group is trying to do. Maybe more of
us need to join in that effort and help her. Anyone know when and where it's next meeting is so we could go? SP
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Meeks is part of the Floyd Flake crew from Jamaica we all remember Flake's mid-term resignation and indictment, so what
do you expect. Has anyone seen Flake's church in Jamaica or any of the buildings he purchased from the city for one
dollar. PG
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Don't worry about the parks, vote for Obama and he will put a park in every Americans back yard. LOL TD
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You are complaining about Charles Park take a look at Centerville Park thats much worse. RM
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Weiner is trying to negotiate cheaper gas prices with her, she is from Saudi Arabia. RR
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May 28
How can Weiner do anything he is on the road with Hillary all the time, banging Clinton's aide. Great representation for
Howard Beach. GR
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SP it is not your responsibility to waste time determine "the underlying issues" thats why we pay taxes. That's the job of
our congressman, Meeks and Weiner have to get additional funding in order to maintain Charles Park, its that simple. They
are not doing their job.
We have been trying to get a youth center since the 80's and it has only fallen on deaf ears, our kids deserve to have a
place to go other then Cross Bay Blvd or the weeds.
Charles Park has been neglected for 20 years, Flake, Schumer, Weiner and Meeks all did nothing to remedy the situation,
just talk. MC
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Hey guys this is not hard, Charles Park is under federal control, if there is insufficient funding its up to our Congressmen
to get us more money. FR
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CBC...The federal government can't maintain Charles Park so know we will let them maintain our health care. Make sense.
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Good to see some of the residents of Harlem particular mothers are speaking out against the violence. Step up to the
plate now Al. JB
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May 27
MC – In regard to your question as to who I blame for the current state of our ball fields and playgrounds, my answer would
have to depend on the specifics of a particular ball field or playground. I think you are far more interested in assigning
blame than I am. I’m far more interested in identifying the underlying issues responsible for why particular conditions exist
so they can be attacked effectively. If the underlying issue is an elected official, then I'll attack the official. If the problem
is more complex than that, 'd rather attack those issues.
As far as Charles Park is concerned, it is Gateway that is responsible for its decisions as to how it
allocates its budget. In my opinion, Gateway is not funded to a level sufficient for it to maintain and/or
improve the acreage, in total, it is responsible for. If the Chronicle article is correct about Gateway’s
budget being $22 million, that amounts to $846 a year per acre to cover maintenance, improvements, etc. I don’t believe
that is sufficient for Gateway as a whole. The $7.5 million for the Jamaica Bay Unit of Gateway works out to about $1200 per
acre. I don’t think that is sufficient either. I don’t know how Gateway receives its allocation of the $22 million. By that I
mean, is the Gateway portion of the National Park Service budget allocated directly by Congress or is it received indirectly
through the total National Park Service Congressional appropriation with NPS determining which portion goes to
Gateway? I don’t know the internal to Gateway’s operational decision-making process that results in the Jamaica Bay Unit
getting $7.5 million out of the $22 million. I would assume Ms. McCloskey’s group is has been working with Meeks to get an
“earmark” specific to Charles Park incorporated by Congress into a budget allocation. He’s 1 member of a 435 member
body which
would have to approve it. Big groups tend to get more attention than small groups, overall. That’s why I said in a prior
post that maybe more could get done if the group were larger. Meeks, although you don’t agree, has been working to get
funding. Instead of just trashing him, it might be more productive to support that effort by asking him what you could do to
help get that “earmark” accomplished. That does not translate to mean you must support Meeks politically or vote for him,
it just means that there are ways to work together with elected officials to accomplish things. I would agree that the $1
million a few years ago, which was spread out over 5 years for both Charles and Hamilton Parks was window dressing. I
don’t agree that the renovations recently done that I mentioned in another post for city parks in the area were window
dressing or that the scheduled improvements are window dressing. For a little perspective, more than $2 million is
allocated by the city for the work to be done at 207 Park. Millions more are allocated to the other projects. Gateway has a
budget of $7.5 million for the Jamaica Bay Unit which covers the Brooklyn, Rockaway, Broad Channel, and Howard Beach
parts of Gateway. I don’t know, but I bet way more money than that is allocated to our city parks just in HB, Oz, and So.
Ozone. As far as getting new fields or a youth or community center I think the neighborhood civic association is the place
to start to work together to get the ball rolling. Before pushing an elected official to start pushing Gateway to do it, the
neighborhood should discuss that idea, openly at a meeting, not anonymously on a website, to develop some consensus
asto whether or not that would be something a majority of the neighborhood would like or support and whether the people
would work together to accomplish it. SP
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10 kids were shot in Harlem last night (Not by a Cop) and Sharpton was nowhere to be found, instead of addressing the
violence in his own back yard where he could have a positive impact he remains silent. LP
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Does anyone know the reason for the helicopter was hovering over old Howard last night? DM
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The local politicians showed us on Halloween how much they care about our kids and our community, you are beating a
dead horse guys. SR
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Who do you blame for the current state of our ball fields and playgrounds SP? Those fields have been in terrible condition
for 20 years. We have been told "they are scheduled for renovations" but nothing gets done but a little window dressing.
I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding the fact that there is plenty of room for Youth or community centers and new
ball fields to be built, but there are no plans to do so and by defending the politicians who have the power to get the job
done we will never get anything done. We must take them to task and force them to improve our community or vote them
out. We are tired of all the funding going to other neighborhoods. We all must work together. MC
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Hey SP why don't you blame the Democrats for the high price of gas, we all know they continue to veto any bills to drill in
Alaska. We have plenty of oil right here in our country, your Democrats are causing every American to suffer. RR
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MC you are correct, we have to start improving our neighborhood and stop worrying about everyone else. There is plenty
of money out there to improve our community, we just need politicians to get it allocated for us,EC
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What a jerk that Maxine Waters is, socialize businesses in the US, why don't she move to Cuba or Venezuela. These people
are very dangerous and it seems they will stop at nothing. NM
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May 26
Happy Memorial Day. Remember all of fallen Hero's, National moment of silence at 3:00 PM
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May 25
MC, criticism seems to be your forte, but critical reading is not. My comments were directed at your
categorical statement that an elected official, Meeks, did “absolutely nothing” in regard to Charles Park. That statement is
belied by the facts regarding efforts to get Gateway to rectify the situation there. He may have done nothing you approve
of, but that does not mean he’s done nothing.
I did not cite a city study, I cited the Parks Department yearly ratings of acceptable park conditions. I said they were the
Parks Department’s assessment, which may or may not be your assessment or
mine of the conditions in city parks. I cited those ratings because, to my knowledge, there is no federalpark in the Jamaica
part of Meeks' district to compare the conditions at Charles Park to, Therefore, I compared city parks to city parks. I
happen to agree with you that local ballfields and playgrounds are in need of improvement. That’s probably why there
have been renovations done
in some of them over the last couple of years and more scheduled for improvement this year and over the next few years.
P.S. 207 park will be getting fully renovated. P.S. 146 will be getting a new playground.Pals Oval will be renovated. The
soccer field and playground on the Conduit by Lefferts was built and the ballfield there will be renovated. The Lindenwood
Playground was just redone because it wasn’t done right last year. The feds should expend the same effort to maintain
Charles Park and Hamilton Beach Park as the city does for our city parks. The feds who run Gateway should do something
besides let weeds grow on all its lan dwest of Crossbay. There’s plenty of land there for some new ballfields and
playgrounds for our kids to use instead of them just going in there to drink and hang out. There’s plenty of room there to
build a state of the art Youth or community center. There’s plenty of room there for walking or biking trails to be built.
For you to conclude that “people like me” put a political “party “above country” or “above neighborhood” just serves to
further support my conclusion that you somehow think it’s acceptable to
insult people and impugn the patriotism and sense of community of those who have opinions differing from yours.
It’s Memorial Day weekend, Charles Park was named after Frank M. Charles who was killed in action duringWorld War I. He
died serving this republic and the democracy we all enjoy. The very essence of our country’s democracy, that he and
millions of others died to preserve, is that the American people are free to hold and express differing opinions. Our
government
functions by developing consensus from the differing viewpoints of its people.
Yep, Congress has a pretty lousy approval rating, yep,the Bush administration has a lousy approval rating. Part of the
reason may very well be that the "my way is the only way" political climate that has developed in recent years all over the
country is so divisive
that not much gets accomplished. I'm no political pundit, but my prediction is that whichever candidate is viewed by the
American people as the least divisive will be our next president. My prediction is that both Weiner and Meeks will get
reelected even if every voter in Howard Beach votes for their opponents. If you want to replace either or both of them
you'll have
to venture out of Howard Beach to build consensus among the voters in the rest of the neighborhoods in their large
districts to join you in an effort to elect someone else who suits you better. SP
Waters is just covering up for the Democrats blocking any drilling in the US and causing gas prices to soar. Remember we
have plenty of oil right here is the US but this good for nothing Congress will not let us drill for it. Next they will introduce
some kind of gas relief for low income citizens so more people can become dependant on the Government. ER
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There is your fellow Democrat on the video at the top of this page, I guess you agree with her. If you have a business SP
let the government come in an take it over, this country is going backwards and "people like you" defend such anti-
American behavior.
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We are sick of excuses SP, we all know who is to blame so stop defending them. SR
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The song should be "When the Money Runs Out" RR
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Its about time we started to improve this neighborhood. We do deserve better and if our politicians will not help us then
vote them all out in November. RR
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